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Alricaus
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« on: December 24, 2011, 02:57:56 PM »

Hi there,

I found an interesting survey on internet about anarchist. Itís interesting since they include anarcho-capitalist in the survey, something making distinction between this type of anarchy and others, something not. Of course, itís a little biased. You can see it by the fact that they wrote Ďanarchoí-capitalism rather that anarcho-capitalism.  http://www.anarchistsurvey.com/results/

However, my point here is not about the survey per see (you can look at it if you want), but more about demographic data of anarcho-capitalism.

In the survey, they asked participants their profession. One of the responses was student (or education, I donít remember). However, they didnít ask which program the students were.

So, thatís my questions.
1-   Do you think there is a link between the type of program we chose and anarcho-capitalism?
2-   If yes, which programs you think are more selected by anarcho-capitalist?
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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2011, 04:23:29 PM »

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by programs. But I do find this statistic incredibly interesting: ~48% of 'anarchists' at least sometimes feel closer to Marxists than other types of anarchists. Telling.
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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2011, 04:56:09 PM »

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by programs. But I do find this statistic incredibly interesting: ~48% of 'anarchists' at least sometimes feel closer to Marxists than other types of anarchists. Telling.

Well, I don't know exactly how call it in English, but I mean : psychology, economy, law, ect.

Like I told, it was quite biased. I only put the link since it is in reading this that I think about the questions I asked.
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2011, 05:55:55 PM »

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I'm not entirely sure what you mean by programs.

He means what is their "major" or field of study. What profession or degree are they studying for.

People who favour logic tend to be drawn to anarcho-capitalism and people who favour emotion tend to be drawn to socialist anarchism in my experience. By extension, I think people who use logic a lot in their field would favour anarcho-capitalism. I'm guessing sciences (math, physics etc) and IT students might be more likely. Economists are also likely candidates, if they favour logic and empirical evidence over blind faith in overcomplex economic theories lectured to them by their often keynesian professors.
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2011, 06:45:35 PM »

Engineers are good anarchists. This forum is proof.   Wink
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2011, 10:39:08 PM »

I picked economics, but that was before I was an anarchist.  I also have a minor in philosophy.  I also met three other anarchists who are also getting econ degrees. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2011, 06:22:14 AM »

I picked economics, but that was before I was an anarchist.  I also have a minor in philosophy.  I also met three other anarchists who are also getting econ degrees.  

But that is what we are talking about right? Certain people get drawn to a certain profession. We are speculating if a certain kind of person is more likely to become anarcho-capitalist?

I think part of it is how strong your emotional or rather empathetical ability is and if you let emotion triumph over logic. Socialism/Anarchism always had an enormous pull on me because I am quite an emotional and empathic guy. But I also have a strong believe in logic, and while anarchism was emotionally satisfying to me it did not do so in the area of logic.

I'm guessing upbringing has a lot to do with it as well. Seems like most AnCaps have a libertarian (classic liberal) or "right wing" (economic freedom) background. Seems like people who hang towards AnCap have a more leftist (economically egalitarian) background usually.

I also see a lot of them have oppressive and violent backgrounds on both sides. Which is interesting since we usually consider violent upbringing to lead to violent individuals. But it seems that some are just gaining an understanding of the immorality and futility of violence, rather then turning violent themselves. Maybe if an individual receives both kindness and violence in his youth the contrast will reveal the nature of violence? Maybe there is a difference between being subject to socially "accepted" violence such as spanking and socially "rejected" violence such as beating and molestation?

I would like to note that the violence doesn't have to be physical. I personally wasn't subjected to that. But I am a relatively intelligent person (high IQ at least, if that is a valid measure of intelligence) and socially and intellectually deviant ( I have ADHD and I "think" and "act" differently from the social norm). This made me very "different" in my childhood and a very "troublesome"  student. As such I have a high aversion to social oppression and authoritarianism, particularly in education. "Grown-ups" always tell you as a child that everyone is "unique" and we need to be "tolerant" and "open-minded", yet they try to force everyone in the same socially accepted mold. If people refuse that social mold then they are "lacking in discipline", "dumb", "lazy", "ignorant", "selfish" or "irresponsible".

To conclude I think our choice for a certain "career" or "study" does have a correlation with our political choices. But it is simply another reflection of our personality and not the cause for our political beliefs. I think the reason can always be chased back to childhood and partially to genes. I don't fully believe in the "Tabula rasa" or children being a "blank sheet": part of the personality is genetic. Most of it is formed during childhood though. I guess you could say that one child is "parchment" and the other is "paper".

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« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2011, 08:12:07 AM »

"Question 29: Are you currently part of an anarchist organisation/affinity group? "
60% said No

Who would have thought anarchists would be difficult to organize?  heheh
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« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2011, 11:58:13 AM »

Well after reading this I realized how much the commies really hate us. For some reason they believe that somebody isn't allowed to be ruled even if they agree to it. That is really the only difference we have with them.
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« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2011, 12:33:48 PM »

I seriously question their definition of being free and being ruled though.  How they see freedom just looks like eminent domain to me.  How they see ruled seems to be my neighbor having an extra few bucks more than me as a result of them putting in a little more effort at work.  
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« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2011, 01:40:26 PM »

Well after reading this I realized how much the commies really hate us. For some reason they believe that somebody isn't allowed to be ruled even if they agree to it. That is really the only difference we have with them.

They claim capitalists are rulers because capitalists deny them the "freedom" to do whatever they want without having to provide for themselves. They claim they have to work for capitalists because they have to eat, and this is somehow the fault of capitalism and not of the natural law that humans die without food.

The difference between us and ancoms is that they ignore certain natural laws and/or logic.
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« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2011, 11:17:45 PM »


They claim capitalists are rulers because capitalists deny them the "freedom" to do whatever they want without having to provide for themselves. They claim they have to work for capitalists because they have to eat, and this is somehow the fault of capitalism and not of the natural law that humans die without food.

The difference between us and ancoms is that they ignore certain natural laws and/or logic.
Exactly. They ignore the fact that for thousands of years humans were self sufficient and didn't need wage jobs. It is very hard work to own a farm, I used to live on one. Wage labor in my opinion is a liberator to the masses because it allows you to do much less work and survive. The free market is more of a collective than any form of communism. People create things that benefit all of us and develop ways to make products cheaper and more affordable. In communist societies, there is no incentive to make better, more efficient products because apparently a factory is there for jobs, not the consumer. This backwards way of thinking has plagued modern politics since the beginning of the 20th century.
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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2011, 02:03:33 AM »

I picked economics, but that was before I was an anarchist.  I also have a minor in philosophy.  I also met three other anarchists who are also getting econ degrees.  

I think part of it is how strong your emotional or rather empathetical ability is and if you let emotion triumph over logic. Socialism/Anarchism always had an enormous pull on me because I am quite an emotional and empathic guy. But I also have a strong believe in logic, and while anarchism was emotionally satisfying to me it did not do so in the area of logic.


I don't know, that wasn't the case for me.  I'm not a very emotional person, so my political (and all other) decisions have been grounded solely in facts and logic.  Something that helped to draw me into anarchy was objectivism which I found to quite logical and absent of emotional arguments. 

Anyway, I never thought of anarchy as having emotional appeal, that's interesting.
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2011, 06:21:34 AM »

I picked economics, but that was before I was an anarchist.  I also have a minor in philosophy.  I also met three other anarchists who are also getting econ degrees.  

I think part of it is how strong your emotional or rather empathetical ability is and if you let emotion triumph over logic. Socialism/Anarchism always had an enormous pull on me because I am quite an emotional and empathic guy. But I also have a strong believe in logic, and while anarchism was emotionally satisfying to me it did not do so in the area of logic.


I don't know, that wasn't the case for me.  I'm not a very emotional person, so my political (and all other) decisions have been grounded solely in facts and logic.  Something that helped to draw me into anarchy was objectivism which I found to quite logical and absent of emotional arguments. 

Anyway, I never thought of anarchy as having emotional appeal, that's interesting.

When I say "anarchism" I mean "socialist anarchism". I was an AnComm before I was AnCap. AnCap might not have the strong emotional rhetoric, but it is solidly grounded in logic and reasonable assumption.
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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2011, 07:02:45 AM »

When I say "anarchism" I mean "socialist anarchism". I was an AnComm before I was AnCap. AnCap might not have the strong emotional rhetoric, but it is solidly grounded in logic and reasonable assumption.

I find that interesting, as I find ancap to be the most emotional/compassionate approach, as well as the only economically sound approach. 
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