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« on: October 30, 2011, 02:15:51 AM »

How do we take the black and gold global? I started this topic to explore ways in which we can turn anarcho-capitalism into a real global grassroots movement by and for all humanity. I don't mean to imply that it is not already, obviously there are AnCaps all around the world but lets me honest- its mainly a Western phenomenon for now. Here are some of my suggestions that should be obvious. I know the real reason comes down to numbers of man power and material resources. I would love to make a truly international organization. Here some observations and suggestions.

1. Online videos- there is a real dearth to me of very high quality propaganda (I use that in its classic sense as in 'political advertisement'). I spent a while involved heavily into white racist ideologies and I know that they have us beat by far. Their are some really cool nazi videos out there- that is the productions values. Hell the message makes me sick but I would watch them just for the entertainment values. They almost sucked me in a twenty six year old man, think what that does to the mind of a thirteen year old. Sorry but the racial fascists seem to be very good film makers and musicians. (Oh and if you want to argue the point I will link the shit out of em, my former trip down the dark side makes me dangerous to them and can be a potential boon to my ancap friends because i know from personal experience how these fucks think. They are not stupid, trust me. Spare me the emo shock please!)

2. English is not universal- as much as the one time Bahai in me wants a universal auxiliary language to spread through out the whole earth it is time Spooner, Mises, Rothbard, Herbert, Konkin, Rand, etc to go all out Rosetta Stone! If it has been translated, promote it! If it hasn't then translate it!

3. Grow some balls- its time to start some real shit and raise some real Cain and before you call me a hypocrite and ask what I am doing then I will say I'm not dead yet. It is time to start standing on a literal soap box and rant at every street corner. Risking our lives is living our lives.

4. Think hard- we have to be smarter and more tenacious that we ourselves can imagine!

I had a idea from when I was a bahai- I propose a form of proselytism based around the Bahai International Community. A secular version of their religious administrative machine where they would set up a international body, national bodies and local councils and coordinate missionary activity in a systematic manner. They originally where supposed to have a world parliamentary system headed by a prime minister like leader who shared authority with a small council like a very small version of a unicameral senate. What was interesting is the way elect their leader ship- their voting procedure is very unique. What I am proposing is a voluntary organization that would be a international activist organization. It would attempt to compete with other organizations while cooperating with them. Its sole purpose would be the coordination of activist organizations around the world as well a clearing house for literature and a think tank for ancap, voluntaryist and agorist politics around the world.

http://www.bahai.org/worldwide-community/national-communities/ pay very attention to how they are organized. Notice the way they have almost cookie cutter format for their national websites.

This is just a idea of my own. i am just putting it out there and is no way meant to take away from the work that anybody is doing. I am not really one to talk but I want to be some day. Which is also something I have been thinking about the last couple days.

Maybe as anarcho CAPITALIST we should objectify our own position and think of it as a brand to be sold to customers and think of ourselves as sales man no different than Coca Cola or shoes. That every other ideology is our direct competition and the market is swamped. Also activist should think of other activists as competing in the same field and try to outdo each other like the stock market or what not. I don't mean to say that we should not work to gather and be friends and all that jazz. But maybe we should think about it as serious business and objectify ourselves in that way.

What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2011, 06:20:50 AM »

1. Online videos- there is a real dearth to me of very high quality propaganda (I use that in its classic sense as in 'political advertisement'). I spent a while involved heavily into white racist ideologies and I know that they have us beat by far. Their are some really cool nazi videos out there- that is the productions values. Hell the message makes me sick but I would watch them just for the entertainment values. They almost sucked me in a twenty six year old man, think what that does to the mind of a thirteen year old. Sorry but the racial fascists seem to be very good film makers and musicians. (Oh and if you want to argue the point I will link the shit out of em, my former trip down the dark side makes me dangerous to them and can be a potential boon to my ancap friends because i know from personal experience how these fucks think. They are not stupid, trust me. Spare me the emo shock please!)

I think you are comparing apples and oranges here. The supremecy ideas (be it white/black/male/hetrosexual or other supremacies) are IMO so much easier to sell then anarchist ones. The reason for this being that supremacy ideas fit perfectly with the the pride of humans. And by pride I mean the fact that every human has the tendency to think they are better/smarter/more moral then others. I have to admit my guilt to pride myself sometimes and sometimes I think of myself as being superior to people that have less intelligence then me. Which, if I would give in to these thoughts would make me a sort of IQ supremacist.

This is obviously not what I truly believe, otherwise I would not be an anarchist. Because the philosophy of anarchy is based heavily on the fact that no human is superior to another human and as such has no right to use coercion to rule over another human. I think getting someone to accept supremacy ideas is much easier then getting them to accept anarchy.

That is not to say we shouldn't use the medium of video alot. I think videos are a much better tool to convert people to anarchism. This is because when you are just left to words to argue your point, you might get in trouble with both people using a different defition. A video also has picture to demonstrate more clearly what you mean. This is why I am a big fan of those animated videos.

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2. English is not universal- as much as the one time Bahai in me wants a universal auxiliary language to spread through out the whole earth it is time Spooner, Mises, Rothbard, Herbert, Konkin, Rand, etc to go all out Rosetta Stone! If it has been translated, promote it! If it hasn't then translate it!

I completly agree with you. And even if people do speak english, they might not speak it very well. If I get the time I might translate some stuff into Dutch.

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3. Grow some balls- its time to start some real shit and raise some real Cain and before you call me a hypocrite and ask what I am doing then I will say I'm not dead yet. It is time to start standing on a literal soap box and rant at every street corner. Risking our lives is living our lives.

I disagree with you here (see also my earlier bit where I explain why I think anarchism is a hard idea to accept). I feel that as anarchists we have to pick our battles, at least until the movement is a lot bigger then it is right now.

I do think preaching to larger groups and civil disobedience would be a possibility if the movement were to become a little bit bigger or at least more concentrated in one geographical area. Some mainstream media coverage would be great, but only if we don't get portrayed as radical idiots.

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Maybe as anarcho CAPITALIST we should objectify our own position and think of it as a brand to be sold to customers and think of ourselves as sales man no different than Coca Cola or shoes. That every other ideology is our direct competition and the market is swamped. Also activist should think of other activists as competing in the same field and try to outdo each other like the stock market or what not. I don't mean to say that we should not work to gather and be friends and all that jazz. But maybe we should think about it as serious business and objectify ourselves in that way.

What do you think?

Yes, you could see anarcho-capitalism as a brand. However I think other activists should be viewed as costumers as well. Alot of people in this world are already drifting towards anarchism, they just haven't come to the ultimate conclusion yet. Even other activists could be attracted to the anarcho-capitalism brand.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2011, 01:36:31 PM »

Speaking on the topic of white supremacists, when I was selling Ron Paul books door-to-door back in my minarchist days I came to a house that was full of 20-30 something guys that were all racists, open about it, and scary as all hell. I got verbally berated big time for what I was peddling.

It got me to thinking. This was in California, which people don't usually associate with racism. There were also a whole house of them and as I converted to anarcho-capitalist, it made me realize that there was only one anarcho-capitalist in my town, and a whole bunch of them. The sad truth is that there are probably a whole hell of a lot more white supremacists in America than anarcho-capitalists.

Chances are they will play a significant role in the upcoming turmoil. A lot of people may not see them now, simply because they aren't in those sorts of circles and they don't know where to look. The same can be said of anarcho-capitalists. We try to get our message out there, and we're here plain as day... if you know where to look. But for people who aren't tapped into the message it's in one ear and out the other. But when things get really ugly, people will be looking for answers. We have to hope that they will gravitate towards our message, but don't fool yourself into thinking a lot of people will not also gravitate towards a lot of other messages, including white supremacy.

This is why I am so adamant about the free state project. Our numbers are low and we need each other as much as possible. We need at least one foothold in the world and being a disparate group around the world may not get us very far. Just saying.
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2012, 10:14:21 PM »

Personally I have started what I call Project Anarchy, it is less than a week old and coorisponds directly with me joining this site.

Think that I plan to do under this monicker are;

1. I plan to create videos and post them to youtube, eventually I would like to create a website like you tube except with a privacy policy more in line with the search engine duck duck go. My knowledge of anarcho capitalism is lacking as thus far I have dubbed myself an anarcho capitalist because it seems to me to be the natural conclusion of the non aggression principle. Hans Hoppe converted me to anarcho capitalism I listen to one of his lectures on LewRockwell while driving to school.

2. I plan to create music and have begun writing songs in the hip hop tradition. I plan to specifically do hip hop though because I want to directly compete with Immortal Technique, though my training is in Classical Piano and I am out of practice.

3. I intend to write essays and articles.

4. I intend to learn more about anarcho-capitalism.

These are in no particular order.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2012, 06:00:27 PM »

http://www.isil.org/

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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2012, 09:29:42 PM »

I wish something would come along like these ideas. I feel like it would be something i could dedicate myself to. I can write and debate and would love to help.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2012, 09:40:18 PM »

Speaking on the topic of white supremacists, when I was selling Ron Paul books door-to-door back in my minarchist days I came to a house that was full of 20-30 something guys that were all racists, open about it, and scary as all hell. I got verbally berated big time for what I was peddling.

It got me to thinking. This was in California, which people don't usually associate with racism. There were also a whole house of them and as I converted to anarcho-capitalist, it made me realize that there was only one anarcho-capitalist in my town, and a whole bunch of them. The sad truth is that there are probably a whole hell of a lot more white supremacists in America than anarcho-capitalists.

Chances are they will play a significant role in the upcoming turmoil. A lot of people may not see them now, simply because they aren't in those sorts of circles and they don't know where to look. The same can be said of anarcho-capitalists. We try to get our message out there, and we're here plain as day... if you know where to look. But for people who aren't tapped into the message it's in one ear and out the other. But when things get really ugly, people will be looking for answers. We have to hope that they will gravitate towards our message, but don't fool yourself into thinking a lot of people will not also gravitate towards a lot of other messages, including white supremacy.

This is why I am so adamant about the free state project. Our numbers are low and we need each other as much as possible. We need at least one foothold in the world and being a disparate group around the world may not get us very far. Just saying.

Look at the traffic of this site. After that, look at the traffic of Stormfront. There are a whole lot of these folks. Not to mention, they hate us. They hate anything from "hippy fag libertarians," support Hitler's policies, and have admitted to wanting "White Socialism."

With that said, I believe this country, as a whole, has libertarian/anti-state leanings. You just have to craft your message into a package that hits a whole lot of people, opening their eyes.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2012, 09:44:15 PM »

Look at the traffic of this site. After that, look at the traffic of Stormfront. There are a whole lot of these folks. Not to mention, they hate us. They hate anything from "hippy fag libertarians," support Hitler's policies, and have admitted to waning "White Socialism."

With that said, I believe this country, as a whole, has libertarian/anti-state leanings. You just have to craft your message into a package that hits a whole lot of people, opening their eyes.

Their forum may be more active than ours, but I believe libertarians far outnumber them.  The libertarians are not exactly unarmed pacifists either.  They do not worry me. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2012, 10:01:02 PM »

Look at the traffic of this site. After that, look at the traffic of Stormfront. There are a whole lot of these folks. Not to mention, they hate us. They hate anything from "hippy fag libertarians," support Hitler's policies, and have admitted to waning "White Socialism."

With that said, I believe this country, as a whole, has libertarian/anti-state leanings. You just have to craft your message into a package that hits a whole lot of people, opening their eyes.

Their forum may be more active than ours, but I believe libertarians far outnumber them.  The libertarians are not exactly unarmed pacifists either.  They do not worry me. 

True but they're no pushovers either. They're racist idiots but they sure do know their shit when it comes to firearms, survivalism, and prepping.

You're right though. They have a central site for them to organize. This site is unique but in terms of limited government/anarchist libertarian sites, there are a few out there (Daily Paul/RP Forums/Survivalist forums/SHTF prep) to name a few. Not to mention, several of the firearms sites I visit are loaded with guys that are closer to our cause than against it.

We're all just kinda scattered around.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2012, 10:15:22 PM »

Their philosophy and ideology is easy to defeat.
1. creativeness and individualism: All races have creative minds.
2. Socialism works in theory but not in reality.
 (history proves this)
3. Their are many many libertarian minds outh there, i have noticed many dont realize their libertarians because their undereducated about its philosophy. Many who calls themselves republicans are actually libertarians.
4. They dont understand hitler or national socialism, which seems od since they promote it so much.
5. Hitler lost   Cheesy Not only did he lose but he didnt believe in his own philosophy as he wrote it in Mein Kampf and in the end instead of courage, was the opposite.
6. A lot members and people their are so confused and only a minimum are actually dedicated.
7. Libertarians are some of the best debaters ive ever seen.
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2012, 10:18:43 PM »

Their philosophy and ideology is easy to defeat.

I don't believe they are worried about beating them philosophically and ideologically, but rather physically, if needed.  
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2012, 11:44:24 PM »

Their philosophy and ideology is easy to defeat.
1. creativeness and individualism: All races have creative minds.
2. Socialism works in theory but not in reality.
 (history proves this)
3. Their are many many libertarian minds outh there, i have noticed many dont realize their libertarians because their undereducated about its philosophy. Many who calls themselves republicans are actually libertarians.
4. They dont understand hitler or national socialism, which seems od since they promote it so much.
5. Hitler lost   Cheesy Not only did he lose but he didnt believe in his own philosophy as he wrote it in Mein Kampf and in the end instead of courage, was the opposite.
6. A lot members and people their are so confused and only a minimum are actually dedicated.
7. Libertarians are some of the best debaters ive ever seen.

2. If something doesn't work in reality it's theory is a bad one
6. Inconsistent philosophy leads to inconsistent people
7. Are we good debaters or do we have a good philosophy?
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2012, 12:16:38 AM »

I believe both. We have a solid philosophy that we can defend, in a debate if needed. Libertarian philosophy is based logic and common sence.

Far as them being physical, long as they dont mind and realize i dont mind defending myself and live in a state that has the "defend your castle" and the "3 step back law".
I wish peace on all but others do not wish it back unfortunatly. Hopefully after a couple conversations where i could make examples they will see things differently. doubtful

They really dont like being reminded Hitler lost and was technically anti- American.   Grin

Sad part is is half of them truly dont know what "National Socialism" is.

I actually met Gordon Young and well, lets just say we have different beliefs.
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They really dont like being reminded Hitler lost and was technically anti- American.   Grin

Sad part is is half of them truly dont know what "National Socialism" is.

I actually met Gordon Young and well, lets just say we have different beliefs.

Here's one for you.

If WW2 was a war against fascism, did "we" win?
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2012, 06:36:42 AM »

Here's one for you.

If WW2 was a war against fascism, did "we" win?

The Germans (rightly in my opinion) saw it as a war against unjust punitive measures taken against them.  I doubt Nazi's would have come to power at all without the costs of WWI being put on them.

Now there are Neo-Nazi's running stuff in Greece, because they said they would stop the budget cuts.  They don't fit Hitlers ideals at all, but that is why they are 'Neo'.
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