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« on: September 01, 2014, 09:22:58 AM »

Hello all!

I made this video series a couple years ago, and thought i would share. Any comments, discussion, questions, critiques, etc are more than welcome. I can handle all and any criticisms, just please give examples of why you think i may be wrong.....

I started out defining the words, and then logically walking through those definitions. This is a 3 part video series, (and i created all of the music and content).

Part 1: Defining
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP3HRWjquSA


Part 2: Clarification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STnniV4Lcx4


Part 3: Competitive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YatXuLiu5wY




Thanks for watching,
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2014, 06:52:14 PM »

The signal to noise ratio was much too low for me to endure more than 90 seconds of the first video.
Seriously why the huge pauses between phrases?  Why the slide into focus crap and then bam! red?
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2014, 08:35:01 AM »

The signal to noise ratio was much too low for me to endure more than 90 seconds of the first video.
Seriously why the huge pauses between phrases?  Why the slide into focus crap and then bam! red?


I agree. It was one of my first videos i made a couple years ago. I learned a lot making those videos....LOL

I guess you dont have an opinion on the content because you didnt finish it?

Ive watched literally hundreds and hundreds of videos on this topic, yet i never found any of them to define the terminology. Without defining the terms, it is impossible to come to a logical and rational conclusion about a topic like this.

Basically, every 'society' in the history of man has been Capitalistic. And every 'society' wants to become more so.

No Communist/Socialist/Fascist has ever tried to do away with capital, in fact, they have tried to get more control of it. These ideologies are not against capital, they are against the individual ownership and control of capital. This is a key distinction that almost NEVER gets addressed.

I believe it comes down to this: 'Societies' that have the individual ownership and control of capital are 'free' 'societies'. For if the individual has complete and total control over what he earns, he is free. If he does not have complete and total control over what he earns, he is a slave. (to whatever varying degree)
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2014, 07:06:46 PM »

I wouldn't call myself an expert on socialism, but I think what they complain about is more that there's a division between the people who own capital and the people who use it? So that those who own it but allow others to use it get to extract rent or usury from those who actually use capital to produce?

Could be wrong. *shrug*

I agree that the videos have a problem with pauses and such. I'm not sure who your target audience is for the content... I don't think socialists would agree with your use of the word "capitalism" to mean a society that has capital of any sort, so it seems like they'll reject the basic premise of your videos. If it's directed more at fence-sitters of some sort, then I'm not sure you've made a convincing case that individual ownership of capital is preferable, or even that letting people keep all of what they earn is preferable. I think many people would simply tell you that people were only able to earn what they did because the government helped them out, and so they have an obligation to pay the government back.

Maybe you should talk more about the moral philosophy you use as a starting point?
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2014, 08:43:16 AM »

I wouldn't call myself an expert on socialism, but I think what they complain about is more that there's a division between the people who own capital and the people who use it? So that those who own it but allow others to use it get to extract rent or usury from those who actually use capital to produce?

Could be wrong. *shrug*

I agree. But the problem is this 'division' can only come from 1 place: 'Government'. And when socialist advocate for 'Government' to solve this problem, they are not only contradicting themselves, they are actually advocating for the problem to get worse.


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I agree that the videos have a problem with pauses and such. I'm not sure who your target audience is for the content...

My 'target audience' is anyone who care enough to watch. LOL

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I don't think socialists would agree with your use of the word "capitalism" to mean a society that has capital of any sort, so it seems like they'll reject the basic premise of your videos.

If they dont agree, does this make my position wrong? Or does it mean they have already made up their minds, regardless of any information presented?


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If it's directed more at fence-sitters of some sort, then I'm not sure you've made a convincing case that individual ownership of capital is preferable, or even that letting people keep all of what they earn is preferable.

Would you call it 'preferable' for me to come steal your money (for no reason other than Im allowed to) under threat of violence? Or would you call it 'preferable' for me to leave you alone and allow you to choose how to spend your money?

Do you actually think people need to be convinced that being robbed is a bad thing? LOL

In other words, it seems socialist/communist think its okay to be robbed by a socialist/communist 'Government', but think it would be bad to be robbed by a 'capitalist' 'Government'. Holy contradictions batman.

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I think many people would simply tell you that people were only able to earn what they did because the government helped them out, and so they have an obligation to pay the government back.

Do you think there were slaves who told other slaves that if they leave the plantation, they wont be as safe, so they have a moral obligation to pay back the slave master for his food and shelter?

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Maybe you should talk more about the moral philosophy you use as a starting point?

I agree, and i need to do that. Like i said i made this videos years ago.
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2014, 01:43:50 PM »

I wouldn't call myself an expert on socialism, but I think what they complain about is more that there's a division between the people who own capital and the people who use it? So that those who own it but allow others to use it get to extract rent or usury from those who actually use capital to produce?

Could be wrong. *shrug*

I agree. But the problem is this 'division' can only come from 1 place: 'Government'. And when socialist advocate for 'Government' to solve this problem, they are not only contradicting themselves, they are actually advocating for the problem to get worse.
Then why not show them how the problem they say they want to solve will get worse?

Have you ever heard the phrase: "socialist ends, market means"?

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I agree that the videos have a problem with pauses and such. I'm not sure who your target audience is for the content...

My 'target audience' is anyone who care enough to watch. LOL
Makes sense. Well, I certainly encourage you to keep making them!

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I don't think socialists would agree with your use of the word "capitalism" to mean a society that has capital of any sort, so it seems like they'll reject the basic premise of your videos.

If they dont agree, does this make my position wrong? Or does it mean they have already made up their minds, regardless of any information presented?
It's just a definition. Can the definition one uses for a word be right or wrong? What makes your definition correct and any other definition others might use or have used historically wrong?

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If it's directed more at fence-sitters of some sort, then I'm not sure you've made a convincing case that individual ownership of capital is preferable, or even that letting people keep all of what they earn is preferable.

Would you call it 'preferable' for me to come steal your money (for no reason other than Im allowed to) under threat of violence? Or would you call it 'preferable' for me to leave you alone and allow you to choose how to spend your money?

Do you actually think people need to be convinced that being robbed is a bad thing? LOL
I would prefer to keep my money, but plenty of people exist who are perfectly fine paying taxes. They don't consider it their money, they believe it belongs to the government. How are you going to change their minds?

In other words, it seems socialist/communist think its okay to be robbed by a socialist/communist 'Government', but think it would be bad to be robbed by a 'capitalist' 'Government'. Holy contradictions batman.
Well, I don't think most people in the U.S. identify as socialist. I think most of them actually argue for what they consider a form of capitalism.

But most people also don't think that taxes constitute robbery. (Or even that more direct things like civil forfeiture qualify as robbery.) Your videos here do little to attempt to show that governments, by their nature, engage in robbery or extortion.

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I think many people would simply tell you that people were only able to earn what they did because the government helped them out, and so they have an obligation to pay the government back.

Do you think there were slaves who told other slaves that if they leave the plantation, they wont be as safe, so they have a moral obligation to pay back the slave master for his food and shelter?
I don't really know, but I would find it a bit surprising, to be honest. I think the psychology of those living under government is quite a bit different from the psychology of the slaves that people had in the U.S. But it isn't something I've looked up, so I don't really know.

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Maybe you should talk more about the moral philosophy you use as a starting point?

I agree, and i need to do that. Like i said i made this videos years ago.
Cool! I look forward to seeing any new videos you make. Smiley
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