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« on: December 07, 2013, 07:19:30 AM »

WTF?!?!  
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2013, 10:39:27 AM »

I suspect most libertarians weren't aware of his political ideology. I wasn't until his hospital stay this year when the commenters at Reason started dissing him.

A quick perusal of his Wikipedia page shows that he was a Communist, but gives the impression that he didn't really accomplish much on that front. Obama and most US politicians are more active communists/socialists/fascists (there's no important distinction).
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2013, 03:33:52 PM »

I haven't noticed any libertarians fawning over Mandela.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2013, 03:39:08 PM »

TBH I'm just glad he's dead.  It's odd though that the world mourns the loss of this parasite, but yet there is no mention ever of the ethnic cleansing of white farmers in South Africa.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2013, 11:32:49 PM »

I haven't noticed any libertarians fawning over Mandela.

There have been some on dailypaul.com.
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2013, 11:35:26 PM »

TBH I'm just glad he's dead.  It's odd though that the world mourns the loss of this parasite, but yet there is no mention ever of the ethnic cleansing of white farmers in South Africa.

Leftists can be mean-spirited scum.  Look at how the ancoms have sworn to use violence against us, while we ancaps have the Non-Aggression Principle as the foundation of our philosophy.  Look at how ancoms form black blocs and destroy private property, while ancaps are overwhelmingly peaceful.  Leftism has been said to be a mental disorder by some, as many leftists act like children throwing temper tantrums. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2013, 11:38:05 PM »

TBH I'm just glad he's dead.  It's odd though that the world mourns the loss of this parasite, but yet there is no mention ever of the ethnic cleansing of white farmers in South Africa.

Oddly, they also don't seem to care that this evil monster tortured other blacks to death via "necklacing."

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Necklacing is the practice of summary execution and torture carried out by forcing a rubber tire, filled with petrol, around a victim's chest and arms, and setting it on fire. The victim may take up to 20 minutes to die, suffering severe burns in the process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing

How can people be so easily brainwashed into treating this fucker as a saint?!
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2013, 12:17:01 AM »

I haven't noticed any libertarians fawning over Mandela.

There have been some on dailypaul.com.

Are you sure they're libertarians?
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2013, 02:27:52 AM »

I haven't noticed any libertarians fawning over Mandela.

There have been some on dailypaul.com.

Are you sure they're libertarians?

Some claim to be.
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2013, 11:50:24 AM »

I haven't noticed any libertarians fawning over Mandela.

There have been some on dailypaul.com.

Are you sure they're libertarians?

Some claim to be.

That's scary.

Not just because they're calling themselves libertarians, though. It's just generally scary.
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2013, 01:40:48 PM »

An article ran in the Libertarian Republic.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/nelson-mandela-view-end-apartheid/#.UqLX27t3s3F

If the ANC had focused excusivley on milatry targets would that change how Libertarians view Mandela? Or is it just the communist ideology? You cannot  separate Mandela's political ideology from his context. He was enslaved in fascist police state that was economically not even close to a free market.  Do you really believe that his goal was not freedom, but, in fact, to enslave everyone else?  

 The political scape at that time meant the Soviet Union would support any group who threatened an ally of the U.S. And so people became communist because if your poor and severely oppressed it sounds a lot better then your currant situation.  If S.A. had been pro Soviet the CIA would have backed Mandela and he would have been seen as a freedom fighter. The CIA were backing UNITA in Angola during this same time period. If that had been the case the media would be calling him George Washington.

The Palestinians throw rocks at tanks and blow themselves up in Israeli markets. To me it's the same kind of oppression that Black South Africans experienced and they are reacting the same way.

The question is does the end justify the means ? The answer is no. That's said if someone rapes and kills your family you may reconsider that opinion.

The one common thread that runs through all these events is that their is a State somewhere either promoting Violence or reacting to it.

Their has been some talk of blowback now that Mandela is gone. Their is speculation of a possible genocide against Whites. If that occurs it needs to be viewed as the unintended consequences of conquest and Empire.
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2013, 03:13:46 PM »

I don't really know a whole lot about Mandela. But I do know he was "President" of "South Africa."

That alone is enough for me to not like him.
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2013, 05:09:20 PM »

Lew Rockwell just did a piece on the economics behind apartheid.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/12/thomas-dilorenzo/south-african-apartheid/

Stef Molyneux did a youtube vid as well. He thinks African Blacks would do better under Colonialism and says some wish the return of apartheid because things were "better" . SMH lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7HyuLPWF9I
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2013, 05:31:31 PM »

Molyneux's video was a bit less polished than I would have liked. But I don't think he was stating HE thought blacks WOULD be better off under colonialism, only that by the statistics he read, blacks WERE better off before the end of apartheid and that many currently report to polsters that they preferred apartheid to what they have now.

Molyneux outright said he's not in favor of colonialism (or any statism, as anyone who knows anything about Molyneux would know), but like Hoppe comparing Democracy and Monarchy without being an actual monarchist, Molyneux was using statistics to show that if SA is going to have a rotten statist system, that things are worse off under the current "democratic" government and the end of apartheid was not the step forward people wish it was.
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2014, 06:15:05 PM »

Mandela should be seen as the poster boy for the failure of political parties and for reformism. The ANC – whatever they consider their achievements, are nothing more than a party of gangsters, careerists, and anti-working class scumbags. Apartheid ended over twenty years ago, so what has changed? The black working class of South Africa has a new set of spivs, bosses, and politicians to oppress them.

You only have to look back on the various mine massacres by the security forces last year to see that not a lot has changed – I am given to understand that Mandela’s grandson is a part owner in one of those mines. Thirty years ago it would have been just white police officers shooting unarmed black miners in the back, now it is a mixture of white and black police officers doing the killing. Truly a massacre fit for apartheid.

Apart from an end to apartheid/segregation, has the lot of working class black South Africans improved? Not at all, unemployment, homelessness, and poverty are rife. However, there are a group in South African society who have benefited since the collapse of apartheid. They are of course the Mandela family:

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“Company information showed the Mandela children and grandchildren had, over the past two decades, been involved in about 200 companies extending over a wide range of sectors, including real estate, investments, railway engineering, minerals, medical firms, fashion, and entertainment. Mandela's eldest daughter, was an active director in 16 companies, including the South African subsidiary of the Swiss multinational food giant Nestle, a shopping centre in Kimberley, two railway engineering companies, and four companies apparently engaged in mineral exploration.”
Nelson Mandela himself – who left prison penniless – has a fortune that his family are now fighting over like vultures. Clearly a far cry from the lives of the average South African who generally do not have a pot to piss in!
http://libcom.org/blog/nelson-mandela-some-thoughts-06122013
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