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Author Topic: Why do some describe agorism as "left-libertarian" if it is voluntaryist?!  (Read 20814 times)
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« on: July 21, 2013, 02:14:16 PM »

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Agorists consider themselves market anarchists, while many characterize it as a form of left-libertarianism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agorism

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Advocate or conscious practitioner of Counter-Economics, older terms include left libertarian and New Libertarian.

http://agorism.info/

This makes absolutely no sense to me.  Agorists are associated with forms of anarchism and libertarianism that:

  • emphasize the individual over the collective
  • look to the free market for solving society's problems
  • most importantly, assert the legitimacy of private property, whereas left-wing schools of anarchism and libertarianism tend to strongly condemn the concept of private property (from what I've read, they insist that they respect the concept of personal property, which is generally property that one can move, but adamantly deny that one may rightfully own land)

As far as I can discern, agorism is associated with leftism because it eschews the notion that a stateless society could or should be brought about through mainstream political processes, but rather, professes that this should be done by peaceful revolutionary means.

So on the economic axis, agorists are as right-wing as they come, but because they avoid things like voting and campaigning for candidates, and instead favor peaceful "revolutionary" acts, they are leftists?  

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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 09:04:56 AM »

Agorism is not the first to suggest a peaceful revolution or counter-economics.  That has in the past been associated with leftist movements around the world.  Agorism also suggests everyone be self-employed (another viewpoint suggested by leftists in the past).  It may like the free market for trade, but only in that it organizes the way the one guy who wrote the stuff envisions it.  It isn't quite ancap or 'right' or capitalist or free market.  The way I read it, it came across as more a question of; is this profit potential worth the risk of the fine/jail time.  That isn't really a free market question, so much as a question of how to deal with a non-free market.

This is not meant as anything against agorism, just that I can see how people make the associations to left anarchism.
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2013, 01:33:03 PM »

I don't see the difference between "regular" market anarchism and "left" market anarchism. It's splitting hairs over preferences that aren't relevant to the underlying philosophy (in my opinion). Market anarchism is market anarchism. I don't care if you work for a cooperative, as an entrepreneur, or for someone else's business. I don't care if you prefer to eat barley, Doritos, or toxic sludge. As long as you don't make my menu selection for me at gunpoint, we're good.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2013, 02:55:18 PM »

There are socialist voluntaryists.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 07:06:47 AM »

I don't see the difference between "regular" market anarchism and "left" market anarchism. It's splitting hairs over preferences that aren't relevant to the underlying philosophy (in my opinion). Market anarchism is market anarchism. I don't care if you work for a cooperative, as an entrepreneur, or for someone else's business. I don't care if you prefer to eat barley, Doritos, or toxic sludge. As long as you don't make my menu selection for me at gunpoint, we're good.

There are socialist voluntaryists.

Yeah... that is the problem.  What the socialist/left/'regular' whatever anarchists call voluntary can mean something very different from what we call voluntary.  You have to ask individually to find out what they really think. 
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