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« on: June 22, 2013, 10:57:09 PM »

Freedom through Law?

Below is a news article about a town which has mandated that all new buildings be built with solar panels. While I have no doubt that many here will see this act as just another example of the innate evil of government, I am conflicted over this issue, even though I consider myself a voluntaryist.

On one hand, this is the government mandating that individuals use a certain category (renewable) of electrical generation or pay a fine. This clearly violates the Non-Aggression Principle as the threat of violence (in the form of fines) is used against individuals.

However, on the other hand, this legislation, and others like it, will further the independence of this town; in this case, from the electrical companies. I am a huge advocate for self-sufficiency and while it does step on some toes, in the long run, it will create a town that is not reliant on government-funded energy companies for their electricity. Imagine if the town no longer consumed outside fuel, electricity, food, water.....the people would begin to question the need for a government at all.

Ultimately, the question is: Should the government be used to destroy itself?


Link: http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20130507/ARTICLES/130509624
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2013, 11:08:09 PM »

Would rather see the town government stop subsidizing the power companies and get rid of the monopoly. Adding new layers of fascism to alleviate old layers of fascism never solves anything.
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2013, 07:50:56 AM »

^ What Seth said.



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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2013, 08:21:28 AM »

Freedom through Law?
However, on the other hand, this legislation, and others like it, will further the independence of this town; in this case, from the electrical companies. I am a huge advocate for self-sufficiency and while it does step on some toes, in the long run, it will create a town that is not reliant on government-funded energy companies for their electricity. Imagine if the town no longer consumed outside fuel, electricity, food, water.....the people would begin to question the need for a government at all.

Actually it was likely done as a favor to someone.  Private prisons in the USA use inmates as slave labor, and they often produce solar panels.  It has caused a lot of news stories because companies in the USA that have to follow minimum wage laws can't compete with slave labor.  

When you buy solar panels, you are not directly supporting big oil, but you are certainly supporting a company that is likely big in its own right either in the USA or in China (gov partnership).  You are likely supporting slave labor, and governments incentive to keep putting people in jail.  

There is no way to go through life without handing money over to someone you don't want to.  The place is just too messed up.  There is a reason people like the NAP.  The assumption that the ones voting have all and correct info and can make better decisions for others is kind of how we got here in the first place.  
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2013, 10:02:05 PM »

If the government good legislate a cure for cancer into existence at the cost of taxing people more I wouldn't want the cure.
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2013, 10:48:03 AM »

It always bothers me when people co-mingle free market (ancap) arguments with ethical or moral judgments.

Austrians believe that the results are always better and individual liberty better served if laws and governments are left out of the markets altogether. That is regardless if you are a Democrat or a Republican or a Libertarian. The study of economics is supposed to be "wertfrei" which is judgment free.You may or you may not like the result, but in economics that is irrelevant. A free market allows you to vote with your dollar every second of your life, and to change your vote immediately if your value scale changes. There are no good or bad outcomes, no valuable transactions or useless transactions, just free choice. If you mess with free market forces you hurt everybody else.

Politics, religion and ethics have to do with whether something is "wrong" or "right" or ethical or not. There are no right or wrong answers in these disciplines, just opinions. Everybody is welcome to have their own opinion without hurting anybody else.

Original poster seems to ask us to choose between accepting or declining submitting to local regulation restricting choices to renewable energy, because we have to supposedly take into account that it will "lower dependance" on "electrical " companies. You are trying to pick winners and losers in the economy and then force that decision on everybody.

It may lower dependance on electrical companies in exchange for dependance on solar or wind companies- what's the difference? What if 10 citizens want both companies, what if 20% want neither, what if the rest want options, to choose one today and to change their mind tomorrow? Who are you to force one opinion on everybody?
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