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« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2013, 12:59:45 PM »

This explains a lot.. the Bilderbergs are chiropractors! 

In my experience (having never been but having a wife (first wife) who went a lot) chiropractors are by and large mostly interested in repeat business, not curing problems.  Physical therapists on the other hand should generally be trying to cure problems.. 

Any business not interested in "repeat business" is a business destined for failure. And yes, there are chiropractors that'll have you going forever if you're dumb enough to keep doing so, but its not just chiropractors that do that. I regularly do fun stuff that can jack up my body so a good chiropractor is essential but I only need to go once or twice a year.
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« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2013, 01:00:16 PM »

MAM:

I never said chiropractors can cure colds but I think you did sarcastically. It was at that point that I shared an anecdotal story of the time I went to a chiropractor because my neck was hurting and I also happened to have a sore throat (although I didn't go because of the sore throat) and immediately after the adjustment the sore throat was gone. Did I say chiropractors can cure colds? No I didn't because I've only had one experience like that in my life so of course I couldn't say with any certainty whatsoever that chiropractics can cure colds.

Once again you distort someones words to mean something very different than what was clearly intended. If someone was discussing airplanes would you pipe in with: "Well, there ya go talking magic saying man will sprout wings and start flying." I registered on this forum quite a while ago and I'm not around very often but in two out of two threads in the last week I've seen you do this. Granted, maybe those two threads are a coincidence but do you have a history of doing this? You did that with the thread about Stefan Molyneux and cancer and again in this thread. Someone is discussing something that has credibility to anyone with a pulse and YOU take it to the ridiculous by injecting words that have nothing to do with the discussion. This behavior is typically used by politicians, media, narcissists, sociopaths and my crazy ass ex-girlfriend who I learned after I broke up with her was Borderline Personality Disorder. It is done for the purposes of controlling others and the effect is that it usually shuts down all further discussion. This is a form of GASLIGHTING http://tinyurl.com/7xtwzqh and if you are a narcissist or sociopath then there is no treatment. However, if you are a Borderline there is a therapy known as Dialectical Behavior Therapy that is highly effective IF you are committed to learning how to use it.

I don't even know where to start with all your other comments so I won't bother, but you said tuning forks = magic and I can tell you that it is kinda magical how you can tune a guitar with a tuning fork. Grin
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« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2013, 03:12:59 PM »

I could be a sociopath. I could be insane. I could even have split personalities.

As I said before I asked on this thread what this is and why I should care and lo' I was told because these guys were linked to some bullshit. I did not bring that shit up.

As I also said before you were the one who mentioned energy and chiropractics together. If chiropratics did help your sore throat it did so because your throat was sore due to something unrelated to a cold.

I find it amusing how I'm the bad guy when I'm not making claims beyond the claim that I want evidence for your claims. Shit maybe you aren't claiming anything. Maybe it just appears like you're making claims.

Now please answer this question for me: What claims are you making if any, and what are the proofs you have in support of these claims?

If you aren't making any claims beyond the fact that I'm being disingenous then let's move on. If you want to make a claim lets talk about that. If you just want to complain about me being disingenous when I have given you my reasons for saying things I have and asked you to state clearly what your claims are I'm going to ask you to do it on your own and not waste my time.

You have defined conspiracy and I agreed with you that under that definition of conspiracy there are most assurdly conspiracies going on and I have also agreed that the assholes at this meeting are probably conspiring to increase their wealth and influence. Consider this a reaffirmation of agreement of those points.

So I ask you for what I hope is the last time: Are you going to bother to make any claims? So that we can actually discuss something here. Or are you going to continue to bitch about me?

Which is it? Make a claim? Or bitch some more. You decide.
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« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2013, 03:37:59 PM »

I have no "claims" to make. If you're not a wack job and just a crotchety conservative close-minded whateva then I can only hope you'll try to be more cognizant of your gaslighting behavior.

I think this subject has sufficiently had the crap beat out of it so peace out dude. Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2013, 03:44:23 PM »

I'll moderate:

Is it possible that adjusting someone's back or neck can help manage pain. Possibly. But not for the reasons they say. Maybe it takes pressure off a pinched nerve or something, but there isn't a magical "life force" whose flows has been interrupted.

All the talk about unspecified "energy flows" is fake... it's common to most alternative hoaxes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jFj_RL5QvM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcbe3Ao0ThU#t=6m30s     watch this part for 15 seconds or so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eQE38Iv4Kc#t=2m59s       watch this part for  47 seconds
I could link to other ones about healing magnets, the detection of paranormal activity, etc.

And chiropracty (sic?) is as effective at treating sore throats as a sugar pill. It's either coincidence, or it's all in the patient's head.
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« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2013, 04:44:58 PM »

Maybe it takes pressure off a pinched nerve or something, but there isn't a magical "life force" whose flows has been interrupted. And chiropracty (sic?) is as effective at treating sore throats as a sugar pill. It's either coincidence, or it's all in the patient's head.

Sorry to break this to you but Physics 101 says that EVERYTHING in the universe is comprised of energy vibrating at varying frequencies which includes the human body...and when that nerve you speak of becomes "pinched" then the current or signal (i.e. energy flow - OMG!) coursing through the nervous system becomes impeded and you will be alerted of that blockage with pain.

You are feeding off of MAM's BS with the "chiropractics cures colds" thing which I never said so I won't bother going there again. This is precisely why gaslighting is so fucked up and destructive because people start piling on with "You said WHAT?!" crap because they re-act to what the person that was gaslighting accused the other of saying...when it was NEVER even said by that person!

On a forum about anarchism populated by those who have supposedly broken through the matrix of propaganda and superstition of state authority to realize the infinite possibilities inherent to a free mind I'm really surprised to find such conservative thinkers here.
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« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2013, 05:14:13 PM »

Very few people take a holistic approach to well-being. Most people think a headache is a head problem. A throat ache is a throat problem and a foot ache is a foot problem.

Most people have about a 5 year old's understanding of how the body works.

Very few people have any scientific understanding of how a head ache could be a stomach problem, and throat ache could be a skin problem, or how a foot ache could be a back problem.

And then when the holistic says you need to solve the root cause instead of going after the symptoms the brainwashed masses think they're spewing magic talk.



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« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2013, 05:29:31 PM »

Yesterday you were the one running around talking about magic!

Uh no dude. You're being disingenuous. You were the one that used the term "magic" and brought up crystals, not me. Seth King and I were expressing doubts of allopathic medicines effectiveness for treating dis-ease since allopathy treats symptoms instead of finding the cause. We said nothing about "magic" unless you consider chiropractics and massage to be magic.



The healing power of Dolphins = Magic




Is this magic?

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« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2013, 07:32:58 PM »

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Sorry to break this to you but Physics 101 says that EVERYTHING in the universe is comprised of energy vibrating at varying frequencies which includes the human body.

That's not physics 101 that's Quantum Mechanics and by then energy is defined rigorously. Energy is the capacity for an object to do work. Work is the integral of force over a distance of displacement.

So yeah huge oversimplification. You're not even techniquely wrong as far as I can tell. You've just simplified everything to the point that your model is no where near reality.


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You are feeding off of MAM's BS with the "chiropractics cures colds" thing which I never said so I won't bother going there again. This is precisely why gaslighting is so fucked up and destructive because people start piling on with "You said WHAT?!" crap because they re-act to what the person that was gaslighting accused the other of saying...when it was NEVER even said by that person!

Because you're clearly not talking about magic. "I went to a chiropractor and he cured my sore throat" clearly is not implying anything of the sort. Truly I am at fault because you never directly said anything you merely implied it and when I went after the implications of what you said that was off topic and Gas Lighting. Then when I asked you a direct question you backed out. So which is it? Am I changing the subject or are you too busy being the victim to actually bother to say anything worthwhile? Yes I am cranky, I had an irritating day. I don't however think I'm being unreasonable here. You're mad because I "gaslighted" you, yet here we are still talking about how I'm the bad guy when I have tried to get you to do something besides throw a fit like a two year old.

Again I'm the bad guy here obviously.

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Very few people have any scientific understanding of how a head ache could be a stomach problem, and throat ache could be a skin problem, or how a foot ache could be a back problem.

I'm not denying this.

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Is this magic?

No this is not magic. With the Dolphins comment I was refering to claims about how Dolphins can cure cancer and all that nonsense about "dolphin births" and yada yada yada. With the tuning forks I was refering to how it is claimed that said forks can heal your body of aliments yada yada. Essentially they are supposed to cleanse your auras and blah blah blah.

Curing depression through things like that is certainly possible I could even see that happening with Dolphins and really any creature that is friendly.

The placebo effect is very real as well. Which means it's entirely possible that a trip to the chiropractor could make someone think that the chiropractor cured the cold. If they believe that's possible etc... Just like sugar pills can make people feel better. It's not actually doing anything though.


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On a forum about anarchism populated by those who have supposedly broken through the matrix of propaganda and superstition of state authority to realize the infinite possibilities inherent to a free mind I'm really surprised to find such conservative thinkers here

I think what you've done is to break through the matrix of reality. I could be wrong. But we'll never know because you're to busy playing victim over there, so you can't be bothered to make a specific claim. You just talk about physics and energy and yada yada yada... and make me seriously wonder if you actually know anything about physics besides what
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fits into your neat little box called your belief system
oh did I just...?

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To be clear here I'm more annoyed by the fact that this conversation is still going on and not producing anything, than I am about the continued accusations of gas lighting after I have made attempts to turn the conversation onto something productive.

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« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2013, 08:09:37 PM »

And for those of you that care. I'm not claiming that chiropractics can't cure a cold, and that dolphins can't heal and blah blah blah... I'm saying that I'll wait for evidence before I believe it.

If wanting evidence for one's beliefs is conservative then I'm probably the most conservative person you'll ever have a conversation with.
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« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2013, 08:44:03 PM »

Nobody's stopping you from studying medicine.
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« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2013, 10:08:56 AM »

Nobody's stopping you from studying medicine.

Actually I'm studying Emergency Medicine right now. It's pretty cool but really hard man.
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« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2013, 01:06:01 PM »

Because you're clearly not talking about magic. "I went to a chiropractor and he cured my sore throat" clearly is not implying anything of the sort.



WTF dude, this is getting ridiculous!  Huh

I guess you forgot but you said this in the 7th post down on this page https://dailyanarchist.com/forum/index.php/topic,2425.75.html

"Chiropractics and massage won't cure a cold because again magic isn't real."


And all I did was to share a cool experience I had once by saying this in the 10th post on that page...

"But I never said anything about "magic" or crystals or chiropractics so I don't understand why you would presume that.  

However, regarding chiropractics curing a cold...   I went to a chiro because my neck had been hurting for a few days and I happen to have a sore throat then too. I didn't go to the chiro because of the sore throat but when I got up a few minutes later after being snapped, crackled and popped the sore throat was gone! True story."


I'm done dude - you win or whatever, and sorry to the OP for hijacking your thread!







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