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« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2013, 05:40:47 PM »

You would need to be a powerful media, corporate, political, or some sociopathic think-tank douche-bag to qualify to attend, not just rich. Hence the wonder of what public policy comes out of these meetings since those that directly influence and control public policy attend them.

2013 Bilderberg Attendee List
http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/04/official-bilderberg-attendee-list-released

It's a conspiracy, but is it what is normally associated with "conspiracy theory"? Hardly. Penn Jillet sums it up well when he points out that they couldn't even keep quite about Water Gate and conspiracy theorists expect them to be competent enough to keep the conspiracy secret for multiple generations? A little fantastical isn't it.
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« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2013, 05:52:04 PM »

You would need to be a powerful media, corporate, political, or some sociopathic think-tank douche-bag to qualify to attend, not just rich. Hence the wonder of what public policy comes out of these meetings since those that directly influence and control public policy attend them.

2013 Bilderberg Attendee List
http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/04/official-bilderberg-attendee-list-released

It's a conspiracy, but is it what is normally associated with "conspiracy theory"? Hardly. Penn Jillet sums it up well when he points out that they couldn't even keep quite about Water Gate and conspiracy theorists expect them to be competent enough to keep the conspiracy secret for multiple generations? A little fantastical isn't it.

The conspiracy is that Watergate wasn't MEANT to be secret.  Wink Nixon was set up!
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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2013, 07:28:26 PM »

You would need to be a powerful media, corporate, political, or some sociopathic think-tank douche-bag to qualify to attend, not just rich. Hence the wonder of what public policy comes out of these meetings since those that directly influence and control public policy attend them.

2013 Bilderberg Attendee List
http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/04/official-bilderberg-attendee-list-released

It's a conspiracy, but is it what is normally associated with "conspiracy theory"? Hardly. Penn Jillet sums it up well when he points out that they couldn't even keep quite about Water Gate and conspiracy theorists expect them to be competent enough to keep the conspiracy secret for multiple generations? A little fantastical isn't it.

The conspiracy is that Watergate wasn't MEANT to be secret.  Wink Nixon was set up!

Counter-conspiracy ftw.
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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2013, 08:19:51 PM »

You would need to be a powerful media, corporate, political, or some sociopathic think-tank douche-bag to qualify to attend, not just rich. Hence the wonder of what public policy comes out of these meetings since those that directly influence and control public policy attend them.

2013 Bilderberg Attendee List
http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/04/official-bilderberg-attendee-list-released

It's a conspiracy, but is it what is normally associated with "conspiracy theory"? Hardly. Penn Jillet sums it up well when he points out that they couldn't even keep quite about Water Gate and conspiracy theorists expect them to be competent enough to keep the conspiracy secret for multiple generations? A little fantastical isn't it.

The conspiracy is that Watergate wasn't MEANT to be secret.  Wink Nixon was set up!

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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2013, 08:59:17 PM »

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It really depends on what you mean by "conspiracy". If you mean that there is a thousand year plot for world domination nope if you mean that scumy people plot to increase their wealth and influence. Absolutely that happens.

I really hate the notion that skeptic = sheeple.

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Three points please...

1) CONSPIRACY: Here's the definition again since apparently a few of you missed it before...

Conspiracy:
1. the act of conspiring.
2. a plan or agreement formulated, esp. in secret, by two or more persons to commit an unlawful, harmful, or treacherous act.
3. a group of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose.


After reading the definition this time can you accept that what the Bilderberg Group does is probably by its very definition a conspiracy?

The guy that started this thread said nothing in his first post about "conspiracy" but I find it fascinating that all the supposed "free-thinking" anarchists were happy to pile on with ridicule. Do you understand that your sneering ridicule is a knee-jerk response to what you've been conditioned/taught/brainwashed/mind controlled to re-act to when you read or hear this stuff? You know, shut down all further discussion and possibility of reaching the truth by discrediting and ridicule. This tactic has been used for a very long time by religion and the state. Do you recognize that your knee-jerk response is by design brought to you by the very thing you most recoil from that is still successfully fucking with your minds even though you call yourselves anarchists? Yeah, that IS some heavy duty programming and once again proves how deep the roots that this festering repugnant global cult known as statism etches itself into our consciousness.

I'm not trying to pick on you here because we've all been there, but no one is truly free until they achieve freedom in their own consciousness. The process of being free means to question all of our assertions so we know why we think what we think. Get it? If so then this might be a good time to question why you felt the need to dump all over this thread with knee-jerk ridicule and accusations of "conspiracies" and "conspiracy theories."


2) DOMINATION: When you understand that a significant percentage of the worlds population is comprised of Psychopaths, Sociopaths, and NPD's (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) with the commonality between all three being a total lack of empathy for others (i.e. no conscience) and a compulsion to control and dominate others then the concept of there being long term plans to fuck you over isn't the least bit far-fetched. I contend that one of the main components for what makes statism tick is that these sick fucks populate high positions in large corporations and government because nowhere else can you have the most control over the most people.


3) SHEEPLE: Of course skeptic shouldn't equal sheeple, but sheeple (i.e. those lacking critical thinking skills) are often the most vociferous defenders of the state and status quo in general and mask their lack of critical thinking by appearing skeptical and level-headed...when they are neither. For more information on this please refer back to #1 regarding conspiracies.
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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2013, 09:03:45 PM »

Good 10 minute speech by David Icke outside the Bilderberg confab yesterday and captured by Luke Rudkowski of WeAreChange.org...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-YGE2KLa58&
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2013, 09:20:40 PM »

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I'm not trying to pick on you here because we've all been there, but no one is truly free until they achieve freedom in their own consciousness. The process of being free means to question all of our assertions so we know why we think what we think. Get it? If so then this might be a good time to question why you felt the need to dump all over this thread with knee-jerk ridicule and accusations of "conspiracies" and "conspiracy theories."

Oh I've done this ALOT.

I don't feel picked on if you're addressing me. I'm mildly annoyed though. I asked why I should care about this and the responses I got were that these particular douschebags were the subject of conspiracy "theories". Which I will ridicule because conspiracy "theories" tend to be claims that can't be falsified similar to claims about the existence of God. All these conspiracies COULD be right, but they don't pass the Rake and fail the Razor more often than not.

But like with anything even claims about alternative medicine bring forth the claims and I'll look into it when I get the time which probably won't be for a while.

Lew Rockwell makes a huge Epistomological error when he says that the State is bullshit therefore everything that the State says must be a lie (which is called the Liar's Paradox BTW). That's why I'm not a fan of Rockwell and Alex Jones is just a nut.

Is that ridicule? I don't know maybe. Do claims about Lizard Men and Jews and blah blah blah Templars blah blah Denver Airport blah blah deserve ridicule? Absolutely. 

Could I be wrong? Sure.

State-God hit it on the head when he said "We already oppose the State does it matter if there's a conspiracy or not?"

There really should be more information leaks if all these conspiracies are actually true.

I wish the Libertarian Skeptic were more prominent but it isn't. It seems that when people let go of the State they also like to let go of evidence... No skin off my nose in any case.

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« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2013, 09:30:16 PM »

You know something that just occured to me?

It's not the State that gives conspiracy "theories" bad names. Conspiracy "theories" give Libertarians bad names.

At the end of the day a conspiracy HYPOTHESIS (because theory is just way to generous) is not necessary. The State already exists the false dichotomy of the two party system is evident yet people actually think there is a dichotomy.

Start Occam's Razor

several steps later

Mega conspiracies are superfluous.
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2013, 09:53:00 PM »

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State-God hit it on the head when he said "We already oppose the State does it matter if there's a conspiracy or not?"

There really should be more information leaks if all these conspiracies are actually true.

Again, there you go labeling anything a "conspiracy" that falls outside the confines of your neat little box known as your belief system. Good job!

And yes it does matter a lot if you use the same techniques they use to shut down further discussion which is exactly what you're doing when you bring up stuff no one is talking about like lizard people and the jews and denver airport. You did the same thing yesterday with the alternative medicine discussion. Whats up with that dude?

There were/are tons of "information leaks" but don't hold your breath if you're expecting to hear about them on CNN or Fox. Ever heard of Sibel Edmunds  http://www.classifiedwoman.com or all the whistleblowers BO has been prosecuting? Besides doing a good job of partitioning (for the sake of plausible deniability), you want to know who rises to the top in spook agencies like the CIA, FBI, etc? Those who fucked up bad doing something their spook bosses can hold against them later if they talk.
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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2013, 09:57:19 PM »


It's not the State that gives conspiracy "theories" bad names. Conspiracy "theories" give Libertarians bad names.

No doubt there is lots of disinformation floating around out there, but who do you think by design was probably responsible for changing the meaning of the word "anarchy" to general mayhem, chaos and destruction of property, etc?
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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2013, 10:30:33 PM »

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State-God hit it on the head when he said "We already oppose the State does it matter if there's a conspiracy or not?"

There really should be more information leaks if all these conspiracies are actually true.

Again, there you go labeling anything a "conspiracy" that falls outside the confines of your neat little box known as your belief system. Good job!

And yes it does matter a lot if you use the same techniques they use to shut down further discussion which is exactly what you're doing when you bring up stuff no one is talking about like lizard people and the jews and denver airport. You did the same thing yesterday with the alternative medicine discussion. Whats up with that dude?

There were/are tons of "information leaks" but don't hold your breath if you're expecting to hear about them on CNN or Fox. Ever heard of Sibel Edmunds  http://www.classifiedwoman.com or all the whistleblowers BO has been prosecuting? Besides doing a good job of partitioning (for the sake of plausible deniability), you want to know who rises to the top in spook agencies like the CIA, FBI, etc? Those who fucked up bad doing something their spook bosses can hold against them later if they talk.


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Again, there you go labeling anything a "conspiracy" that falls outside the confines of your neat little box known as your belief system. Good job!
A semantically null sentence, I can't come to a conclusion outside of my own conciousness can I?

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And yes it does matter a lot if you use the same techniques they use to shut down further discussion which is exactly what you're doing when you bring up stuff no one is talking about like lizard people and the jews and denver airport. You did the same thing yesterday with the alternative medicine discussion. Whats up with that dude?

Other people brought up Lizard Men and yada yada yada. I may have added the Denver Airport but really all the nonsense starts to run together after you've heard enough of it. It becomes difficult to keep the unfalsifiable claims straight. I do have a tendency to rant. I like to rant. Yesterday you were the one running around talking about magic! Unless I misunderstood what you meant by the things you were saying. You were the one speculating about energy flow and chiropractics, someone was also making claims about the motivations of doctors, AND claiming that EVERYONE was either conspiring cowed or clueless in the scientific community.

Guess what that wasn't me.

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There were/are tons of "information leaks" but don't hold your breath if you're expecting to hear about them on CNN or Fox.
I quit wasting my time on the news a long time ago.

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Ever heard of Sibel Edmunds  http://www.classifiedwoman.com or all the whistleblowers BO has been prosecuting?

If we're talking about conspiracies maybe these people BO is prosecuting were framed similar to Nixon? I mean why not?

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Besides doing a good job of partitioning (for the sake of plausible deniability)
Good business.

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you want to know who rises to the top in spook agencies like the CIA, FBI, etc? Those who fucked up bad doing something their spook bosses can hold against them later if they talk.
Possible, but still speculation.

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No doubt there is lots of disinformation floating around out there, but who do you think by design was probably responsible for changing the meaning of the word "anarchy" to general mayhem, chaos and destruction of property, etc?
Does the fact that the State uses propaganda, and disinformation, mean that all the claims against the State is real?






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« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2013, 04:54:07 PM »

Yesterday you were the one running around talking about magic!

Uh no dude. You're being disingenuous. You were the one that used the term "magic" and brought up crystals, not me. Seth King and I were expressing doubts of allopathic medicines effectiveness for treating dis-ease since allopathy treats symptoms instead of finding the cause. We said nothing about "magic" unless you consider chiropractics and massage to be magic.
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« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2013, 06:32:21 PM »

You would need to be a powerful media, corporate, political, or some sociopathic think-tank douche-bag to qualify to attend, not just rich. Hence the wonder of what public policy comes out of these meetings since those that directly influence and control public policy attend them.

2013 Bilderberg Attendee List
http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/04/official-bilderberg-attendee-list-released

It's a conspiracy, but is it what is normally associated with "conspiracy theory"? Hardly. Penn Jillet sums it up well when he points out that they couldn't even keep quite about Water Gate and conspiracy theorists expect them to be competent enough to keep the conspiracy secret for multiple generations? A little fantastical isn't it.

The conspiracy is that Watergate wasn't MEANT to be secret.  Wink Nixon was set up!

My mind = BLOWN Smiley
Actually, MAM's mind wasn't blown. The Bilderberg group paid Seth to invent that lie and then used mind control devices to trick MAM into reacting that way. Pretty obvious if you ask me.
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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2013, 10:54:29 AM »

Yesterday you were the one running around talking about magic!

Uh no dude. You're being disingenuous. You were the one that used the term "magic" and brought up crystals, not me. Seth King and I were expressing doubts of allopathic medicines effectiveness for treating dis-ease since allopathy treats symptoms instead of finding the cause. We said nothing about "magic" unless you consider chiropractics and massage to be magic.

Allopathic medicines exist. I mean aren't all pain killers allopathic?

I used the term magic because people should use it more. Why? Because there are a shit load of claims out there that are nothing short of magical claims, but people don't use it like that.

Prayer = magic
Tuning Forks = magic
The healing power of Dolphins = Magic

It really depends on what you mean when you say "chiropractics", if you think that chiropractics can cure a cold, you might believe in magic.

When I was in High School I was training with a guy who thought that chiropractics could literally cure anything that was wrong with you. It turns out that the individual who invented Chiropractics believed that too.

The thing is when you cut all the magic out of Chiropractics, Massage etc... You're left with what we call physical therapy. Which is a real thing with scientific backing.

When I say "alternative" I literally mean MAGIC. Because when you cut all the magic out of what people call "alternative" you're left with something that is in my experience anyway, something that scientific medicine acknowledges and uses. Unless of course the claim was purely magical in nature in which case it is denounced as MAGIC...

Yeah I brought up magic crystals, but you were the one who said that chiropractics could cure a sore throat. Which is possible I suppose if the source of the sore throat is not bacterial or viral in nature. Really most interpretations of that claim are going to involve magic.

Like I said I could have misunderstood all the shit you were saying but a lot of those claims seemed a bit fantastical to me.

How about we start over.

WHAT exactly are you claiming??? And all tell you whether or not I deem it magic. Does that sound like a good direction to go in?

PS. I would consider most claims about "conspiracies" to be magical in nature as well. Do conspiracies happen? YES!!! Are they as far fetched as people like Alex Jones seem to believe? NOPE. So if you want to talk conspiracies why don't you tell me what exactly it is that you are claiming...
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« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2013, 12:02:01 PM »

This explains a lot.. the Bilderbergs are chiropractors! 

In my experience (having never been but having a wife (first wife) who went a lot) chiropractors are by and large mostly interested in repeat business, not curing problems.  Physical therapists on the other hand should generally be trying to cure problems.. 
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