Daily Anarchist Forum
November 28, 2021, 12:05:50 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Welcome to the Daily Anarchist Forum!
 
   Home   Help Search Members Login Register  
Pages: 1 ... 4 5 [6] 7 8
  Print  
Author Topic: Stefan Molyneux has cancer  (Read 64247 times)
magentawave
Jr. Member
**
Posts: 70


View Profile
« Reply #75 on: June 06, 2013, 05:01:24 PM »

Quote
Do you really think that >90% of d by doctors and scientists and are in on some conspiracy? I find the idea ridiculous.

I'm not arguing for the FDA or the AMA or whatever I'm arguing for evidence. The FDA is fucking evil that doesn't make evidence a bad idea.

The evidence is in how many have cured themselves of cancer without subjecting themselves to horrible toxins and radiation first that shut down their immune systems. One such treatment uses massive doses of ascorbic acid delivered via IV. The only side effect for some is slight dizziness when first standing up after the treatment and the cost is cheap. Of course there are many other effective therapies too.

No I don't think 90% of doctors and scientists "are in on some conspiracy" but doctors spend years getting brainwashed in medical school to accept that allopathy  (i.e. treat symptoms instead of dealing with the cause) is how to treat humans, hence the massive drug industry. The scientists? Well, most of them either work within the pharmaceutical industry and if not they are still funded by the state and/or pharmaceutical industry and have families to support, mortgages, car payments, kids college tuitions, etc., etc. and certainly don't want to jeopardize their cushy fat-ass lifestyles. I don't understand why this is so difficult for you to wrap your mind around since we've all seen how many "scientists" go right along with "climate change" hoax which is nothing more than a massive global power grab by creepy psychopaths/sociopaths who consider themselves to be the ruling elite.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2013, 05:03:25 PM by magentawave » Logged
Seth King
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
*****
Posts: 3211



View Profile WWW
« Reply #76 on: June 06, 2013, 05:09:54 PM »

A lot of people were brainwashed at a young age to associate anything other than corporate medicine to be voodoo medicine.

Sad really. The same goes for corporate software. Free software is seen as commie software.

It's really amazing at how efficient the state is at warping people's minds. It's damned good at that!
Logged

When are you moving to New Hampshire?
State-God
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 670



View Profile
« Reply #77 on: June 06, 2013, 07:29:13 PM »

A lot of people were brainwashed at a young age to associate anything other than corporate medicine to be voodoo medicine.

Sad really. The same goes for corporate software. Free software is seen as commie software.

It's really amazing at how efficient the state is at warping people's minds. It's damned good at that!

Broadly speaking it's usually the case that corporate medicine is better, especially compared to all the 'Eastern' remedies like crystals and steam-baths.

And yes, I'm aware that there are plenty of exceptions like Burzynski (at least possibly, I haven't done much research on him).
« Last Edit: June 06, 2013, 07:33:02 PM by State-God » Logged

"[In a Socialist Commonwealth] the wheels will turn, but will run to no effect." - Ludwig von Mises
MAM
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2357


Life is Sacred


View Profile
« Reply #78 on: June 06, 2013, 07:43:25 PM »

Imagine going back in time a few hundred years when everybody thought the world was flat.

And then some guy comes along and says "look everybody! I've got evidence that the world is round and not the center of the universe!"

And then the church throws that guy in prison and makes him retract his former statements and proclaim that there is no evidence that the world is round.

And then people like you, MAM, parroting the church's line, "I don't see any evidence that the world is round."

Are all of the doctors a part of some conspiracy? Come on! They're just a bunch of dupes who joined the guild.

It's all about using the state to protect the guild and squash competition. Very few people, including many libertarians, apparently, see it for what it really is.

The Math never lies to you.
Logged

"A stone is heavy and the sand is weighty but a fool's wrath is heavier than them both"-Tuek

"Knowledge is power, and it's light weight. The more you know the less you need."-Cody Lundin

"Hey... it's a haiku

Democracy is
Two Zombies and a Sheriff
Deciding on Lunch."-Davi Barker
magentawave
Jr. Member
**
Posts: 70


View Profile
« Reply #79 on: June 07, 2013, 03:41:04 PM »

Quote
Broadly speaking it's usually the case that corporate medicine is better, especially compared to all the 'Eastern' remedies like crystals and steam-baths.

Well as someone who always seeks out natural remedies, has taken anti-biotics less than 5 times in my entire life and is extremely healthy, I would have to disagree with you.
Logged
MAM
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2357


Life is Sacred


View Profile
« Reply #80 on: June 07, 2013, 03:49:05 PM »

Quote
Broadly speaking it's usually the case that corporate medicine is better, especially compared to all the 'Eastern' remedies like crystals and steam-baths.

Well as someone who always seeks out natural remedies, has taken anti-biotics less than 5 times in my entire life and is extremely healthy, I would have to disagree with you.

I made this meme https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=129791077222329&set=a.111979479003489.1073741828.100005743122373&type=1&theater
Logged

"A stone is heavy and the sand is weighty but a fool's wrath is heavier than them both"-Tuek

"Knowledge is power, and it's light weight. The more you know the less you need."-Cody Lundin

"Hey... it's a haiku

Democracy is
Two Zombies and a Sheriff
Deciding on Lunch."-Davi Barker
MAM
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2357


Life is Sacred


View Profile
« Reply #81 on: June 07, 2013, 04:39:44 PM »

Quote
No I don't think 90% of doctors and scientists "are in on some conspiracy" but doctors spend years getting brainwashed in medical school to accept that allopathy  (i.e. treat symptoms instead of dealing with the cause) is how to treat humans, hence the massive drug industry. The scientists? Well, most of them either work within the pharmaceutical industry and if not they are still funded by the state and/or pharmaceutical industry and have families to support, mortgages, car payments, kids college tuitions, etc., etc. and certainly don't want to jeopardize their cushy fat-ass lifestyles. I don't understand why this is so difficult for you to wrap your mind around since we've all seen how many "scientists" go right along with "climate change" hoax which is nothing more than a massive global power grab by creepy psychopaths/sociopaths who consider themselves to be the ruling elite

It isn't hard for me. I understand that the FDA is evil and that like all government entities it warps and destroys everything it touches. BUT magic isn't real.

I am for herbal remedies but what most "natural" remedy folk don't understand is that Western MODERN medicines are made primarily from plants. Certainly not all but a large percentage something between 70%-80% depending on who you talk to. Tim MInchin did a poem called Storm.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U

Watch it.

Chiropractics and massage won't cure a cold because again magic isn't real. Leeching is bullshit and is actually harmful. People aren't possessed by spirits when they're sick. Am I saying these claims are your claims? NO! But pseudo science is like magic in that it doesn't work.

I don't want anecdotal evidence I want SCIENTIFIC evidence. And no science is not what the government says it is. Science acknowledges the supremacy of Mathematics, science follows the scientific method. Question, Hypothesis, Experiment, Result and always document. Rinse and repeat. And you know what the really cool thing about science is? demonstrable repeatable results.

If you're for actual science then we're and have no disagreement start waving magic crystals in the air and I will call it bullshit until I'm blue in the face. 
Logged

"A stone is heavy and the sand is weighty but a fool's wrath is heavier than them both"-Tuek

"Knowledge is power, and it's light weight. The more you know the less you need."-Cody Lundin

"Hey... it's a haiku

Democracy is
Two Zombies and a Sheriff
Deciding on Lunch."-Davi Barker
magentawave
Jr. Member
**
Posts: 70


View Profile
« Reply #82 on: June 07, 2013, 04:52:11 PM »

True but those same "medicines" are allopathic in nature which means they are designed to treat symptoms instead of dealing with the cause. You know, take aspirin for chronic headaches and to hell with trying to find the cause of the headaches. Allopathic medicine is very similar to how statism deals with problems. Politicians see something they think needs "fixing" so they proceed with their idiotic meddling, and then the sheeple beg their masters to do something and then they pile more crap (i.e. laws) on top of the original problem and thus make the problem much worse than it ever was.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 05:19:42 PM by magentawave » Logged
MAM
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2357


Life is Sacred


View Profile
« Reply #83 on: June 07, 2013, 05:06:05 PM »

True but those same "medicines" are allopathic in nature which means they are designed to treat symptoms instead of dealing with the cause. You know, take aspirin for chronic headaches but whats causing the headaches? Allopathic medicine is very similar to how statism deals with problems. Politicians see something they think needs "fixing" so they proceed with their idiotic meddling, and then the sheeple beg their masters to do something and then they pile more crap (i.e. laws) on top of the original problem and thus make the problem much worse than it ever was.

Aspirin is derived from Willow Bark even "natural" medicines can be Allopathic in nature.
Logged

"A stone is heavy and the sand is weighty but a fool's wrath is heavier than them both"-Tuek

"Knowledge is power, and it's light weight. The more you know the less you need."-Cody Lundin

"Hey... it's a haiku

Democracy is
Two Zombies and a Sheriff
Deciding on Lunch."-Davi Barker
magentawave
Jr. Member
**
Posts: 70


View Profile
« Reply #84 on: June 07, 2013, 05:18:31 PM »


Chiropractics and massage won't cure a cold because again magic isn't real.

I don't want anecdotal evidence I want SCIENTIFIC evidence. And no science is not what the government says it is.

If you're for actual science then we're and have no disagreement start waving magic crystals in the air and I will call it bullshit until I'm blue in the face. 

But I never said anything about "magic" or crystals or chiropractics so I don't understand why you would presume that.  Huh

However, regarding chiropractics curing a cold...   I went to a chiro because my neck had been hurting for a few days and I happen to have a sore throat then too. I didn't go to the chiro because of the sore throat but when I got up a few minutes later after being snapped, crackled and popped the sore throat was gone! True story.

And in further defense of chiropractics, since you brought it up...   I walked around with horrible chronic neck and back pain for years because of all the radical shit I did as a kid which was compounded by the work I was doing. After years of being miserable I finally started going to a chiropractor and about 80% of the pain disappeared immediately after the first session. When I say "immediately" I mean I'll never forget thinking how much better I felt as I was walking back to my car after that session. I went a couple times a week for a few weeks and then once a week for a while (the guy was super cheap too!) and that was 15 years ago and now I only need to go once or twice a year.

I think its magical thinking to believe you'll see real science from "scientists" that derive their income from the state and/or big pharma when the results of their work can be used by the state and/or big pharma for the purposes of making people more dependent.
Logged
magentawave
Jr. Member
**
Posts: 70


View Profile
« Reply #85 on: June 07, 2013, 05:25:39 PM »

Aspirin is derived from Willow Bark even "natural" medicines can be Allopathic in nature.

Sure, but I was referring to chronic headaches where its best to figure out what the cause is and cure the problem instead of just masking the symptoms. For example, the cause of most headaches is due to dehydration. Slam H2O and two minutes later the headache is gone.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 05:36:15 PM by magentawave » Logged
Seth King
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
*****
Posts: 3211



View Profile WWW
« Reply #86 on: June 07, 2013, 05:30:22 PM »

And don't forget the healing power of massage. Touch therapy is extremely important for human beings. People who go years without ever being touched by more than handshakes often suffer from depression.

In fact, it's my understanding that premature babies get touch therapy from nurses every day while they're in their incubators. The nurses simply rub their hands all over the baby and caress them.

I think MAM just has a very closed minded idea of what alternative medicine is. He's been brainwashed to think that alternatives to state/corporate medicine are all crystals and elixirs. That's never been my experience.

But there's nothing we're going to say to change his mind. When he's ready to let go of his hostile attitude and actually look into these things with a more open mind then he might start to understand.

You can lead a horse to the water but you can't make him drink.
Logged

When are you moving to New Hampshire?
MAM
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2357


Life is Sacred


View Profile
« Reply #87 on: June 07, 2013, 05:43:01 PM »

And don't forget the healing power of massage. Touch therapy is extremely important for human beings. People who go years without ever being touched by more than handshakes often suffer from depression.

In fact, it's my understanding that premature babies get touch therapy from nurses every day while they're in their incubators. The nurses simply rub their hands all over the baby and caress them.

I think MAM just has a very closed minded idea of what alternative medicine is. He's been brainwashed to think that alternatives to state/corporate medicine are all crystals and elixirs. That's never been my experience.

But there's nothing we're going to say to change his mind. When he's ready to let go of his hostile attitude and actually look into these things with a more open mind then he might start to understand.

You can lead a horse to the water but you can't make him drink.

I would be offended by this but there's really no point in getting angry over your ignorance of what I've done.

So instead of being angry by this I'll educate you, and bring you out of your State of ignorance.

I have looked into alternative medicines and you know what I've found? Alternative medicine is called alternative medicine because it doesn't work so that would mean by definition that alternative medicine is not scientific.

Herbal remedies are not "alternative" to anything they are MAINSTREAM. Herbs are used by fascist medicine.

I've not only taken herbal remedies in the past, I've harvested the plants and made them myself... So yeah ignorance is bliss I guess.
Logged

"A stone is heavy and the sand is weighty but a fool's wrath is heavier than them both"-Tuek

"Knowledge is power, and it's light weight. The more you know the less you need."-Cody Lundin

"Hey... it's a haiku

Democracy is
Two Zombies and a Sheriff
Deciding on Lunch."-Davi Barker
magentawave
Jr. Member
**
Posts: 70


View Profile
« Reply #88 on: June 07, 2013, 05:43:54 PM »

Oh yeah, a good massage therapist can be phenomenal for healing. Cheesy I wonder how many government studies have been done on that? Tongue

MAM: Its all energy dude so find a good Reiki Master in your area and you'll begin to see radical changes in your body and consciousness.
Logged
MAM
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2357


Life is Sacred


View Profile
« Reply #89 on: June 07, 2013, 05:48:00 PM »

You see Seth I don't just dismiss shit I look into it.

I don't say communism is bullshit because I don't like it. I say it because I've actually gone through the trouble to read their bullshit...

But the thing is I don't have time any more to reinvent the wheel so the question is do you believe in Math? Do you believe in science? I do. If you do then you'll stop calling things alternative that aren't alternative and you'll accept the fact that when it works people use it.

Do you support Bitcoin because it goes against Austrian convention? Or do you support that alternative currency because it's an actual currency?

It's an actual currency right? Herbs are an actual medicine. Don't insult my intelligence please. Thanks for your time.

Peace be with you.
Logged

"A stone is heavy and the sand is weighty but a fool's wrath is heavier than them both"-Tuek

"Knowledge is power, and it's light weight. The more you know the less you need."-Cody Lundin

"Hey... it's a haiku

Democracy is
Two Zombies and a Sheriff
Deciding on Lunch."-Davi Barker
Pages: 1 ... 4 5 [6] 7 8
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines
SMFAds for Free Forums
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!