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« on: March 23, 2013, 07:10:42 PM »

The "liberty" movement is a joke here's why. The most progress that has been made as I see it is with the free state project in NH. However this is a project of minarchists who are Statists just slightly less obnoxious.

What exactly have anarchists accomplished? Go!

I've been thinking lately, the only way I'm ever going to be free is when I no longer have to rely on anyone for anything. The preppers have the right idea.
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2013, 10:35:09 PM »

^Wait. The FSP is a combination of anarchists and small government libertarians.
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2013, 11:14:53 PM »

^Wait. The FSP is a combination of anarchists and small government libertarians.

"small government libertarians" an oxymoron. And even if what you say about there being anarchists involved so? Even if there are enough anarchists involved to warrant duel credit I'm not convinced that it is going anywhere. I've been saying this alot lately but it's true. I could be wrong, I would like that.
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2013, 07:50:38 AM »

"small government libertarians" an oxymoron.

Big government libertarians would be an oxymoron, not small gov.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2013, 08:42:12 AM »

"small government anarchists" is an oxymoron.
"Small government libertarians" is redundant.

I wish the FSP much success.   If I were a younger man with fewer obligations, I'd move in a heartbeat.  Still might, but not any time soon.   I never considered it an "anarchist" project, but I must admit that the first time I heard about it was out of the mouth of a self-avowed anarchist.       Similarly, most of the people that I see or hear mentioning it are anarchists. Even still, I won't dismiss a libertarian project like the FSP out of hand.

A libertarian "free state"(another oxymoron) is orders of magnitude better than what we have now.    I'm not likely to see an anarchist state in my lifetime.    The FSP is having successes right now.    I suppose I share the original poster's frustration, but my reaction is to take encouragement in the success of the FSP rather than poo-poo them for not being anarchists.

Would an "Anarchist State Project" be better?   Yup.  But an FSP that exists is orders of magnitude better than an ASP that doesn't.
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2013, 02:46:10 PM »

I suppose you're right Disengage. Just frustrating is all.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2013, 03:59:11 PM »

Extreme preppers are often slaves to their fears. Their time horizon is so far out that they forget to live at all in the "now". Many are "longevity addicts".

I have come to the personal conclusion that the international man/multi-jurisdictional approach provides the greatest latitude in decision making over one's own life (sometimes referred to as "freedom"). Leisure time factors into this equation pretty heavily for me as there are a lot of things I prefer doing over gardening, preserving food, building an off grid home, etc (and I've actually come close to doing the last one, but I wouldn't go through that process again).

Of course the answer is different for the prepper. Their value scale is such that their lifestyle may make them feel the most free, and therefore make them the most free.

For me, life isn't about some far off destination I hope to reach (such as a "free society"). It is instead the integration (as in the mathematical integral) of the enjoyment of all my past, present, and future experiences. I am always working to maximize the "area under the curve" by balancing time horizon with anticipated present experience "return on investment". There are people who live 30 years who have a very rich life by this metric, and also people who live 100 who are very poor. How long one is willing to wait before they decide to live is up to them.
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2013, 04:47:59 AM »

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"Small government libertarians" is redundant.
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When the anarchist libertarians aren't included.
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2013, 10:00:51 AM »

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"Small government libertarians" is redundant.
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When the anarchist libertarians aren't included.

Well obviously we're not libertarians since we take the basic principle and just carry it to its logical conclusion.
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