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« on: September 24, 2012, 10:09:53 PM »

I am just curious on how you react to these initiatives that implore all who are able (but mostly the young), to vote? Do we owe it to anyone to vote?

I once had a professor who expressed his view to the class that it was borderline treasonous to abstain from voting. He suggested that if one truly had no preference, that they should just close their eyes and pull whichever they happen to grab. How much of a democracy is it, if it is supposedly mandatory?

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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2012, 04:23:24 AM »

The only good thing I see about those initiatives is it may cause some people to actually think about the whole mess.  Not everyone is going to go about it at random.  It will cause some people to question everything. 

The treasonous argument seems silly to me.  How does it do squat if you are not picking for a reason.  Statistically it shouldn't change the outcome if everyone who doesn't vote goes and votes randomly. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2012, 08:57:34 AM »

In my opinion, those who aren't interested enough to actively seek out voting should be left ALONE. I think nagging should be a positive defense in any murder trial. "I killed him because he just would not leave me alone." "Case dismissed!"

What greater liberty is there than to just be left alone?

Another opinion: Those generally disinterested who are "helped" to register and vote through nagging tend to vote for those who make promises of gifts from the public treasury. This has lead directly to Socialist Party A and Socialist Party B. Socialist Party B spends vast wealth trying to convince people that it's the "fiscally conservative" wing of the Party, so that the Socialist Party gets votes both from the "I want" and the "But I don't want" voters.

While there may be long-term benefits to an individual to be "woken up" and come to the conclusion after many election cycles that "this doesn't work", I'd much rather leave them alone. Then, when the state makes them miserable and they choose to "wake up", it won't be to the propaganda of the "benefits" of the state, but their waking will be specifically because of the depredations of the state.

I recall an episode of "Friends", where Rachael gets her first paycheck, and goes ballistic: "WHO IS FICA, AND WHY IS HE TAKING ALL MY MONEY???" And yet, somehow, I expect that the TV writer, director, even the actor herself, all vote Democrat.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2012, 09:36:28 AM »

In my opinion, those who aren't interested enough to actively seek out voting should be left ALONE. I think nagging should be a positive defense in any murder trial. "I killed him because he just would not leave me alone." "Case dismissed!"

What greater liberty is there than to just be left alone?

I am going to have to disagree with that.  There is a difference between someone coming into your home and threatening you to go vote, and an ad on TV.  In either situation you are nagged, but you have the ability to turn off the TV.

"I was happy with my long distance phone carrier, so I killed this guy that wouldn't leave me alone!"  

Not going to work, but I think you already know that.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2012, 09:59:58 AM »


Thoughts?


Sorry for being off topic but I got distracted by your user name and title... I assume you are a beefheart fan...awesome.
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2012, 10:07:34 AM »

"I was happy with my long distance phone carrier, so I killed this guy that wouldn't leave me alone!"  

{sarchasm}
If you think I meant avoidable sales calls when I said "nagging", you've never been in an abusive relationship.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2012, 10:44:26 AM »

By voting you are giving your consent to steal and murder. I do not condone theft or murder in my name, therefore, I don't vote, nor do I promote the act of voting.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2012, 11:43:48 AM »

I was just coming to DA to post this. I'm really enjoying it. I don't think most of us are voters but I'm sure there are a few.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/breitbart-writer-begs-libertarians-to-vote-romney-sorry-it-aint-going-to-work/

I want to meet a Republican who mistakes me as a libertarian in general (especially big L libertarian) and wants me to vote just so I can walk them through how insanely they've misjudged the situation.

I've got my first actual *gasp* of the election season when I told someone I don't vote because its immoral.  I'm going for a gasp+dropped wine glass next.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2012, 12:11:32 PM »

It's good to have goals Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2012, 12:54:05 PM »

I think a lot of republicans believe they get the libertarian vote.  I think there are a lot of libertarians that cause it to be true. 

I suspect most of the left that gets on the anarchy track end up as ancoms etc, while the right that gets on the anarchy track end up as libertarians.  So a lot of libertarians tend to be more afraid of the left than the right. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2012, 01:30:51 PM »

I vote. I consider it one peaceful way to say "No".

I vote "No" on every ballot measure, every tax, every question of intervention, etc, where I have that opportunity.

If there is no candidate that I personally know and approve of, that is, if I don't _know_ they also will say "No", then the ballot remains blank.

It is only in the Free State where my ballots are no longer almost entirely blank. Still mostly, but at least not entirely.
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2012, 01:45:36 PM »


Thoughts?


Sorry for being off topic but I got distracted by your user name and title... I assume you are a beefheart fan...awesome.

I can confirm your assumption
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2012, 01:51:01 PM »


I want to meet a Republican who mistakes me as a libertarian in general (especially big L libertarian) and wants me to vote just so I can walk them through how insanely they've misjudged the situation.

I've got my first actual *gasp* of the election season when I told someone I don't vote because its immoral.  I'm going for a gasp+dropped wine glass next.

Good luck. That outcome is much better than the more likely you've got three heads look. That one is a bit more dreadful, you don't really get a sense of accomplishment
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2012, 01:58:42 PM »

I didn't even notice your name. I'm a huge Beefheart fan.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2012, 02:31:42 PM »


Thoughts?


Sorry for being off topic but I got distracted by your user name and title... I assume you are a beefheart fan...awesome.

I can confirm your assumption

I didn't even notice your name. I'm a huge Beefheart fan.

Nice, me too!
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