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« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2012, 10:11:08 PM »

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playing the governments game

What game would that be?  

Overpriced government contracts and subsidies.
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« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2012, 10:14:29 AM »

I dont think a businessman or enterprise need play that game to be successful.  My goal is a software shop with a few million in revenue each year.  A modest goal.  Enter 100 other voluntarist enterprises of similar measure and they could easily pool resources to try some of these projects. 

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« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2012, 11:21:51 AM »

I dont think a businessman or enterprise need play that game to be successful.  My goal is a software shop with a few million in revenue each year.  A modest goal.  Enter 100 other voluntarist enterprises of similar measure and they could easily pool resources to try some of these projects. 



I'm currently working on getting a few businesses off the ground. We'll see what happens. I'm trying to turn some hobbies of mine into money making ventures.
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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2012, 12:19:51 PM »

I dont think a businessman or enterprise need play that game to be successful.  My goal is a software shop with a few million in revenue each year.  A modest goal.  Enter 100 other voluntarist enterprises of similar measure and they could easily pool resources to try some of these projects. 

Revenue isn't the hard part.  Becoming rich despite government taxes and regulations is. 
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« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2012, 08:59:43 AM »

I think it is a matter of degree.  How rich is rich?  Do we need to be Zuckerbergs to make things happen? That would draw too much attention.  But having a few million in assets that are hidden while living modestly is entirely possible.  If we had just a few voluntarist angel investors we could do some really awesome things.
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« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2012, 12:14:42 AM »

I think this is a distraction. I want to see anarchists try these sort of things in my lifetime but in order to do that we need cold hard cash.  I hope to encourage people to make money so we can seriously invest in ventures of this type.  Put the capitalist in Anarcho-capitalist.

From my understanding there are six primary ways of obtaining funds.
    1) Work & Save : Meaning work at a job, and save a certain percentage of your annual income and once you have enough money, buy whatever you need outright. Pros: Legally own it. Cons: Takes a lifetime and will be constantly taxed and will be a relatively small amount.
    2) Diverting funds from Corporation: Obtain a high level position in a corporation and allocate funds from said corporation into a shell company and transfer those funds to your project. Pros: Obtain alot of money and possibly a source of regular income. Cons: If caught, could be subject to job termination or, at worst, imprisonment for embezzlement, depending upon the manner in which the money was diverted.
    3) Diverting funds from Government: Similar to the above idea, but you'd obtain a position (local or state) as a director of the treasury or other government institution in charge of allocating funds. Pros: Same as previous. Cons: If done in a legal, but distasteful manner, the worst would be forced resignation.
    4) 'Illicit' Enterprise: Sell guns, priceless artifacts, etc. Pros: Get rich really, really quick, tax Free. Cons: Other Crime Lords / INTERPOL / DEA / FBI / Etc. will hunt you down.
    5) Default on Loans: You'd have to take out a large amount of money from a bank under the guise of a small business start-up loan. You'd either have to take the money out under a false name, or you'd have to change your identity afterwards. Pros: Decent amount of money within a few months. Cons: You are out on the lam for the rest of your life.
    6) Enterprise: This option would be to construct your own business. You then take a portion of the proceeds from said business and fund our organization. Pros: Completely legitimate. Cons: Taxed and regulated by government. Relies on the business being successful.

Just wanted to throw these options out for everyone on how funds would be obtained, not just for an endeavor, but in a general sense.
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« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2012, 12:22:13 AM »


    5) Default on Loans: You'd have to take out a large amount of money from a bank under the guise of a small business start-up loan. You'd either have to take the money out under a false name, or you'd have to change your identity afterwards. Pros: Decent amount of money within a few months. Cons: You are out on the lam for the rest of your life.
    6) Enterprise: This option would be to construct your own business. You then take a portion of the proceeds from said business and fund our organization. Pros: Completely legitimate. Cons: Taxed and regulated by government. Relies on the business being successful.

Why would you not start the company, get loans and/or venture capitalists, angel investors etc and make it a real business?  The whole thing is worthless if it is not economically viable anyway. 
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« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2012, 12:29:55 AM »


    5) Default on Loans: You'd have to take out a large amount of money from a bank under the guise of a small business start-up loan. You'd either have to take the money out under a false name, or you'd have to change your identity afterwards. Pros: Decent amount of money within a few months. Cons: You are out on the lam for the rest of your life.
    6) Enterprise: This option would be to construct your own business. You then take a portion of the proceeds from said business and fund our organization. Pros: Completely legitimate. Cons: Taxed and regulated by government. Relies on the business being successful.

Why would you not start the company, get loans and/or venture capitalists, angel investors etc and make it a real business?  The whole thing is worthless if it is not economically viable anyway. 

+1 Also 4 and 6 are the same thing.
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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2012, 09:42:36 PM »

Another option for colonization would be the uninhabited atolls of the Maldive Islands located southwest of the Indian subcontinent. While all of the islands within the general area are claimed by the Maldivian government, it would not be impossible to colonize one of the more remote islands and remain undetected. Sustenance would primarily be gained from fishing. While agriculture would be difficult, it would not be impossible with aquaponics and other modern techniques/technology. 

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One of the long term challenges to colonization would be the rising sea levels. Some say that within fifty to one-hundred years, many of these islands will become submerged, with the entire archipelago being submerged in two hundred years. However, going off of the recently mentioned topic of Seasteading, anarchists would use an atoll as a foundation for an artificially created island. Once the rest of the Maldivian island chain is swept over by water, there would be no government to interfere in our affairs and anarchists could use the shallow atolls as building grounds.   
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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2012, 10:03:18 PM »

The Maldives are home to a company I was looking into working for.  hehe

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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2012, 12:44:55 AM »

All I think the idea looks good. So how do we get started? I think we need more info. I think the spot looks good but what you have up there is an outline of a plan not a complete plan...
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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2012, 07:26:30 AM »

Eh, I definitely would want to bring some stuff with me, because if we're actually looking to build a new society there's no reason to go out-and-out survivalist. Generally speaking though, yeah, if given the opportunity I would try to make an Anarcho-Capitalist society a reality.
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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2012, 07:34:06 AM »

Should we have a Free Island Project, where we vote on what islands to steal in the name of ancap?  I wouldn't vote for the Maldives.  It is really hot there. 
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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2012, 08:17:50 AM »

Should we have a Free Island Project, where we vote on what islands to steal in the name of ancap?  I wouldn't vote for the Maldives.  It is really hot there. 

Stealing from the top thief (the state) doesn't usually end well.
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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2012, 09:21:26 AM »

Should we have a Free Island Project, where we vote on what islands to steal in the name of ancap?  I wouldn't vote for the Maldives.  It is really hot there. 

Stealing from the top thief (the state) doesn't usually end well.

Which is why we also have the seasteading thread.
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