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« on: June 08, 2012, 04:19:26 PM »

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One more reason to reject the state entirely.

You canít count on any politician to actually abide by their own principles.

http://www.libertariannews.org/2012/06/08/sen-rand-paul-endorses-gov-romney-on-hannity-060712/

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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2012, 06:02:05 PM »

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One more reason to reject the state entirely.

You canít count on any politician to actually abide by their own principles.

http://www.libertariannews.org/2012/06/08/sen-rand-paul-endorses-gov-romney-on-hannity-060712/
Scum-baggery. He wants to funnel RP supporters into the Romney camp. Let him fail.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2012, 08:07:59 PM »

Well, I was interested so I went out onto the web looking to see what the response was. It seems the RP camp is in revolt. This could really be an important time for market anarchism. It's a chance for growth. Seth predicted we'd get some opportunities at this time, but I don't know if anyone knew something like this could happen. The flat out betrayal of Rand Paul just made it way more dramatic. Some basic research yielded:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-trouble-rand-paul
http://forums.fingerlakes1.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1348282&page=1
http://twitchy.com/2012/06/07/rand-paul-endorses-mitt-romney/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oef-CfQsE44
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/44022
^One of the comments here suggests there may be people questioning RON paul as well.
http://www.dailypaul.com/238449/rand-paul-endorses-mitt-romney
^Same here. Someone mentioned the PAULS (plural) selling out.
I guess Ron hasn't spoken to his followers yet either. Looks like they demand an explanation for how he could allow all of this to happen. Shockwaves in the political libertarian world. In an attempt to transplant them into the GOP (a process that started with the "tea party"), they've splintered the movement. I don't think Rand is going to help Romney carry the young vote quite the way he thought. This is all really good news.
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2012, 08:15:22 PM »

I saw that too. Even Alex Jones seems to be miffed. Maybe we should do a phone bomb to the show.

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-dont-destroy-yourself/
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2012, 08:34:21 PM »

http://www.dailypaul.com/238449/rand-paul-endorses-mitt-romney#comment-2534061

I feel like I need to be in that forum. I'll poll the DA and see if that is a good idea. I'm a bit detached from political libertarianism, and as a result I don't know if this is appropriate. Let me know your thoughts. This is a huge opportunity and I want to do something with it. Other ideas? Let's have a brainstorm...dpalme got it started already.
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2012, 09:43:59 PM »

I tried introducing people with a quick post, but it never got commented on, and thus, disappeared quickly.

If anybody here has an account there a bump would be nice.

http://www.dailypaul.com/238704/welcome-ron-paul-supporters

Really, if I had the flow now would be a good time to buy adspace on Daily Paul and LewRockwell.

As far as the Rand Paul thing goes, well, I've always thought Rand wasn't half as awesome as his father. A lot of other people felt that way too, but there were a lot of fencesitters. Probably less fencesitters now, and more anti-Rand Paul people.

Although, I don't think this is really Rand Paul "selling out." I think it's simply a political maneuver. He is willing to kiss the ring now, so that in 2016 he can run for President and be in the good graces of the establishment GOP. It's really just a perfect example of why politics is a terrible way to end the state.
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2012, 10:36:25 PM »

Looks like someone beat me to it.
http://www.dailypaul.com/238704/welcome-ron-paul-supporters#comment-2534611

Edit: Ok, I confess, it's actually me. If anyone wants to help me out, I'm going into the DP trying to spread market anarchist ideas. Even if you don't want to write comments, you could create an account, friend me, and do nothing but upvote my posts. For the most part, I'm trying to hit the most visited areas.
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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2012, 06:40:33 PM »

Update: It looks like some of you went and up-voted a few of my comments. Thanks. Every one counts. The Paulites have a little case of groupthink, so seeing a comment with a positive rating always helps give them a good first impression. If anyone else wants to follow my other comments I'd appreciate it. Also let me know if you decide to do the same thing (so I can follow your comments as well)... I've noticed a few other voluntaryists out there doing the same as me. Other good news is that some people seem receptive to the ideas. Some had never heard of "voluntaryism" before, and were interested, which makes me think I'll start using that word instead.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2012, 12:00:21 AM »

Well, my experiment on the Daily Paul lasted exactly a month. I tried to log in a few minutes ago, and I was informed that my account had been terminated. I'm actually surprised it didn't happen sooner. They have a system over there where you can go and tattle to the mods that someone hurt your feelings, and then the mods swoop in and ban that user. It's humorous, because it's not a private message system, it's a public thread. So I actually got to see first hand what people were complaining about, and I knew damn well my name would end up there some day.

On one hand, there were some nice ancaps there that I got to meet, and I impacted several non-anarchists as well. I enjoyed the battle of avoiding censorship on the site, trying to figure out new ways to break their filter on the word "fuck." Fcuk, f\/ck, f(_)ck, and finally, f ( _ ) ck ....but they started blocking most of them.

On the other hand, it was very frustrating to see the truth about the political libertarian movement. Most of them aren't nearly as close to becoming ancap as we like to give them credit for. I guess it's good that I was able to discover the truth, but it's very disheartening.

Ultimately, I'm not sure what got me banned (could have been many things). My most recent discussion was about whether gold has inherent value due to the resources used to extract it. I said "no," and that in theory, gold could lose its value. I suspect it will remain valuable, but can't economically "prove" that it will. Some guy told me I was an idiot for bashing gold, so I gave him a lesson on marginal economics and how there is no "best" asset. Next he demanded to know my investment portfolio, at which point I said I like to stay very diversified, but I have moral concerns over financing criminal organizations. He then pronounced that I have stocks, bonds, no government bonds, and no precious metals or commodities. At that point I boiled over and called him a f ( _ ) cking idiot for drawing such a preposterous conclusion (after I had just stated that I like gold). I also pointed out that I had annihilated every claim he made, and I corrected him for using the word "granite" instead of "granted." Apparently he went and told on me.

Debunking the labor/past_effort theory of value was not the dumbest thing I had to deal with (think UFO stories, lizard-alien conspiracy theories). We think of the ancap movement as being pretty heterogeneous in the sense that we have different ways of thinking, but we've all ended up in roughly the same place. But the political movement is ALL OVER the board. On one end of the spectrum you have voluntaryists, and then you have those with plans to vote for Mitt, some for Obama, etc.

^Why is the above useful? Because now I can give the following advice: If you're debating someone and find out they support RP, that is not enough info to know how to approach your task of introducing them to anarchism. Tread with caution, get more info first. Don't make any assumptions about their competence, or understanding of economics, politics, history, etc (all mistakes I made at one point or another on that site). You really need to treat them like you would a normal statist.
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2012, 12:32:10 AM »


^Why is the above useful? Because now I can give the following advice: If you're debating someone and find out they support RP, that is not enough info to know how to approach your task of introducing them to anarchism. Tread with caution, get more info first. Don't make any assumptions about their competence, or understanding of economics, politics, history, etc (all mistakes I made at one point or another on that site). You really need to treat them like you would a normal statist.

I supported "Ronnie P" until I went to vote wearing my Ron Paul Revolution shirt and was 2. Given a Democrap ballot and 2. Told I couldn't wear my Ronnie P stuff into the "voting area" and that I needed to turn it inside out. I refrained from telling them to fuck off and instead politely refused. It was on that day (some time in June) that I let go of the Democrapsy completely and stopped supporting any politician.

Later a friend of mine told me that you have to change your party affiliation in the same county where you vote, he's probably right, and if he is than the reason I got the wrong ballot was my mistake. But in any case what's done is done and I now no longer support their malarkey... In any sense. I'm still a registered voter and I probably will remain so just so that I can exercise Jury Nullification if I ever get jury duty, but I will not be voting again.
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