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« Reply #90 on: June 26, 2012, 01:03:18 PM »

That is bullshit beyond all reasonable understanding. So the police state that we're currently living in doesn't count as a beating? Going throughporno scanners at the airport that can cause cancer and gives perverts the options of seeing your balls is natural?

Yea, but property is just as bad, an owner of property can command the same thing, but you would complain.
No, an owner of property can't command the same thing. An owner of a theoretical airport can't ensure that every other airport has the same ridiculous practices.

Yes, but the air port owners could for a consortium, to make all places have those agents.

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« Reply #91 on: June 26, 2012, 01:07:28 PM »

Let me explain why your argument in wholly invalid: if man does not own his body (his most basic property), then the ideas of theft and murder cannot exist, because if man does not own himself then, he cannot be held responsible for such actions. Taking this and applying it to property, we must then conclude that if man does not have any property, then there cannot be any justification for the idea of theft. Do you understand where I'm coming from here?

So native american tribes didn't have morality, they didn't believe in property.

You confuse personal property with private property: Your house is personal property, a factory that others work is private property, the first is valid the second is invalid.
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« Reply #92 on: June 26, 2012, 01:09:25 PM »

Out of curiosity, in your words, assassin,  how should resources be allocated to people?

I would say that the people who produce goods should decide (can I get rid of the adds, I can't type because I keep staring at the latino cupids add). I do think that if a mode of production causes starvation, then it is immoral, and should be abolished.
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« Reply #93 on: June 26, 2012, 01:15:04 PM »

Ass7, your point is wrong. Native Americans did believe in property rights. Tom Woods covers this in his book, 33 Questions. During times when resources such as food would drop because of harsh winters, Native American tribes would give the members of their tribes full access to everything that they hunted, and would condemn those that would try to steal from others.

Property rights have existed for centuries, and to deny that is to deny reality.
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« Reply #94 on: June 26, 2012, 01:37:20 PM »

Ass7, your point is wrong. Native Americans did believe in property rights. Tom Woods covers this in his book, 33 Questions. During times when resources such as food would drop because of harsh winters, Native American tribes would give the members of their tribes full access to everything that they hunted, and would condemn those that would try to steal from others.

Property rights have existed for centuries, and to deny that is to deny reality.

The Arawak didn't have them, the most warlike tribes did (Iroquois, Apache, Aztec).
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« Reply #95 on: June 26, 2012, 03:08:09 PM »

That is bullshit beyond all reasonable understanding. So the police state that we're currently living in doesn't count as a beating? Going throughporno scanners at the airport that can cause cancer and gives perverts the options of seeing your balls is natural?

Yea, but property is just as bad, an owner of property can command the same thing, but you would complain.
No, an owner of property can't command the same thing. An owner of a theoretical airport can't ensure that every other airport has the same ridiculous practices.

Yes, but the air port owners could for a consortium, to make all places have those agents.


Yeah, and I could convince everyone in the world to sell me their houses for a nickel a piece. But it won't happen.
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« Reply #96 on: June 26, 2012, 03:11:06 PM »

Out of curiosity, in your words, assassin,  how should resources be allocated to people?

I would say that the people who produce goods should decide (can I get rid of the adds, I can't type because I keep staring at the latino cupids add). I do think that if a mode of production causes starvation, then it is immoral, and should be abolished.
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So by your own standards, collective ownership should be abolished, since it caused the death of millions in Russia and China.
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« Reply #97 on: June 26, 2012, 03:13:13 PM »

Ass7, your point is wrong. Native Americans did believe in property rights. Tom Woods covers this in his book, 33 Questions. During times when resources such as food would drop because of harsh winters, Native American tribes would give the members of their tribes full access to everything that they hunted, and would condemn those that would try to steal from others.

Property rights have existed for centuries, and to deny that is to deny reality.

The Arawak didn't have them, the most warlike tribes did (Iroquois, Apache, Aztec).
And of course, your unbacked claim based upon spotty knowledge of native american history shows that property rights cause war. Bravo.
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« Reply #98 on: June 26, 2012, 04:15:11 PM »

That is bullshit beyond all reasonable understanding. So the police state that we're currently living in doesn't count as a beating? Going throughporno scanners at the airport that can cause cancer and gives perverts the options of seeing your balls is natural?

Yea, but property is just as bad, an owner of property can command the same thing, but you would complain.
No, an owner of property can't command the same thing. An owner of a theoretical airport can't ensure that every other airport has the same ridiculous practices.

Yes, but the air port owners could for a consortium, to make all places have those agents.


Yeah, and I could convince everyone in the world to sell me their houses for a nickel a piece. But it won't happen.

In one city you can't build that many air ports, maybe 7 or 8, so yes it would be in their interest to form a consortium and rig prices
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« Reply #99 on: June 26, 2012, 04:16:27 PM »

Ass7, your point is wrong. Native Americans did believe in property rights. Tom Woods covers this in his book, 33 Questions. During times when resources such as food would drop because of harsh winters, Native American tribes would give the members of their tribes full access to everything that they hunted, and would condemn those that would try to steal from others.

Property rights have existed for centuries, and to deny that is to deny reality.

The Arawak didn't have them, the most warlike tribes did (Iroquois, Apache, Aztec).
And of course, your unbacked claim based upon spotty knowledge of native american history shows that property rights cause war. Bravo.

I never said that, if you read that into the comment, its not my problem
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« Reply #100 on: June 27, 2012, 04:19:56 PM »

That is bullshit beyond all reasonable understanding. So the police state that we're currently living in doesn't count as a beating? Going throughporno scanners at the airport that can cause cancer and gives perverts the options of seeing your balls is natural?

Yea, but property is just as bad, an owner of property can command the same thing, but you would complain.
No, an owner of property can't command the same thing. An owner of a theoretical airport can't ensure that every other airport has the same ridiculous practices.

Yes, but the air port owners could for a consortium, to make all places have those agents.


Yeah, and I could convince everyone in the world to sell me their houses for a nickel a piece. But it won't happen.

In one city you can't build that many air ports, maybe 7 or 8, so yes it would be in their interest to form a consortium and rig prices
A competitor would offer a better deal to the customer, then. It is not like now where big corporations use regulation to make barriers to entry high.
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« Reply #101 on: June 27, 2012, 07:49:43 PM »

That is bullshit beyond all reasonable understanding. So the police state that we're currently living in doesn't count as a beating? Going throughporno scanners at the airport that can cause cancer and gives perverts the options of seeing your balls is natural?

That was a bad example, lets go with price fixing. Making a air port requires huge amounts of funds, and I doubt you can make one quickly, so the owners of the few air ports could easily price fix

Yea, but property is just as bad, an owner of property can command the same thing, but you would complain.
No, an owner of property can't command the same thing. An owner of a theoretical airport can't ensure that every other airport has the same ridiculous practices.

Yes, but the air port owners could for a consortium, to make all places have those agents.


Yeah, and I could convince everyone in the world to sell me their houses for a nickel a piece. But it won't happen.

In one city you can't build that many air ports, maybe 7 or 8, so yes it would be in their interest to form a consortium and rig prices
A competitor would offer a better deal to the customer, then. It is not like now where big corporations use regulation to make barriers to entry high.
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« Reply #102 on: July 02, 2012, 07:24:16 AM »

Also, why are communists on the internet always rich kids? Anyone have any idea?

I suspect all the ones living the dream are unable to afford the internet. 
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« Reply #103 on: July 05, 2012, 08:36:39 PM »

my arguments against capitalism from debates.org:


1. Working for a boss creates obedient habits of mind, that will lead to dependence on authority, leading to the creation of a state.

2. Capital will come into the hands of a few, and those few will become the new state, via private property. because consumers, who are unorganized, would go to one company that can provide better goods, which would allow it to invest in buying its competition.

3. Private property requires a state to exist.

4. Natural disasters will cause the populace to give power to the companies that had come to dominate the economy, and power once given will only grow. This power will then invade mutualist and communist areas because they will be new markets, and the richest and most valuable areas, because they won't be able to sell anymore in the local economies.
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« Reply #104 on: July 05, 2012, 08:48:35 PM »

Thank you for finally telling me where you are getting these statements.  

As these have been refuted several times by many people all over the board, I won't bother to refute them again now.  

I have to mention that this list just makes me laugh.  



Edit: Found it, or at least one incarnation of it.
http://www.debate.org/debates/anarcho-capitalism-would-lead-to-despotic-statism/1/

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Debates.org is a site about presidential debates.  
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