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« Reply #120 on: September 28, 2012, 06:35:56 PM »

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communism can produce better than capitalism, because it can give all basic functions to machines, allowing people to do science, art, and such

Logically proven false in 1921, see "Economic Calculation In The Socialist Commonwealth". Empirically proven false by the fall of Socialist/Communist France, Russia, China, Cambodia, Vietnam, etc etc etc etc.

I don't know man. As the song Holiday in Cambodia states, "You'll work harder with a gun in your back!"
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« Reply #121 on: September 29, 2012, 07:27:11 PM »

Under capitalism automation means no one can by [sic] shit.
Yeah, because that makes a lot of sense. If no one can afford to buy a certain good, then why was it's mass production automated? The idea that people "can't afford to buy the goods back" is very, very, very tired. Get off the communist websites.
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« Reply #122 on: September 29, 2012, 10:51:55 PM »

"Under communism you don't have people buying things just getting what they need/want."

 Um, what? That very statement relies on the pretext of capitalism's supply and demand in order to function. If people want something, they create a demand for it, which, in turns, sees to the formation of supply for that specific item. If there's no purchasing of the product, how can one calculate which items have a greater need to the public at large? Ever hear of the subjective theory of value?
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« Reply #123 on: September 30, 2012, 09:42:24 AM »

"Under communism you don't have people buying things just getting what they need/want."

 Um, what? That very statement relies on the pretext of capitalism's supply and demand in order to function. If people want something, they create a demand for it, which, in turns, sees to the formation of supply for that specific item. If there's no purchasing of the product, how can one calculate which items have a greater need to the public at large? Ever hear of the subjective theory of value?
[sarcasm]No, no, no, it's magic, you see.  Communism magically supplies what people need and want--because scarcity is artificially created by capitalists.[/sarcasm]
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« Reply #124 on: September 30, 2012, 11:13:34 AM »

Anyone who thinks anarcho communism is logically sound for more than a month is hopelessly lost. I was an anarchocommunist for like a week when I was 14, and then I realized that it is just stupid. Yes, stupid. Communism sends us back to caveman times.

Social scientists who promote socialism never have a background in economics, or even the private sector for that matter. They love complex (but mistaken) theories because it makes them feel superior despite never having produced anything of value ('never' is a hyperbole).

Thomas Sowell and Von Mises have great articles and books about this topic.
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« Reply #125 on: September 30, 2012, 05:14:02 PM »

Oh my, JSNTS, what have you done?
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« Reply #126 on: October 07, 2012, 02:30:28 PM »

Anyone who thinks anarcho communism is logically sound for more than a month is hopelessly lost. I was an anarchocommunist for like a week when I was 14, and then I realized that it is just stupid. Yes, stupid. Communism sends us back to caveman times.

Social scientists who promote socialism never have a background in economics, or even the private sector for that matter. They love complex (but mistaken) theories because it makes them feel superior despite never having produced anything of value ('never' is a hyperbole).

Thomas Sowell and Von Mises have great articles and books about this topic.

Free Cities in Europe

common land of peasants

Tribes of the Caribbean

community gardens

hippie communes

cooperative factories

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« Reply #127 on: October 07, 2012, 02:35:12 PM »

"Under communism you don't have people buying things just getting what they need/want."

 Um, what? That very statement relies on the pretext of capitalism's supply and demand in order to function. If people want something, they create a demand for it, which, in turns, sees to the formation of supply for that specific item. If there's no purchasing of the product, how can one calculate which items have a greater need to the public at large? Ever hear of the subjective theory of value?

You would have the basic needs, food, housing, medical care always available. Look at the Doctors Strike where the doctors couldn't just walk out and let people die, so they gave away free care, to any one who walked in.

for luxury goods like toys and games these would be provided by reciprocation, like how in my community my mom does child care for free but as part of that she has a right to the community garden.
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« Reply #128 on: October 07, 2012, 03:43:19 PM »

"Under communism you don't have people buying things just getting what they need/want."

 Um, what? That very statement relies on the pretext of capitalism's supply and demand in order to function. If people want something, they create a demand for it, which, in turns, sees to the formation of supply for that specific item. If there's no purchasing of the product, how can one calculate which items have a greater need to the public at large? Ever hear of the subjective theory of value?

You would have the basic needs, food, housing, medical care always available. Look at the Doctors Strike where the doctors couldn't just walk out and let people die, so they gave away free care, to any one who walked in.

for luxury goods like toys and games these would be provided by reciprocation, like how in my community my mom does child care for free but as part of that she has a right to the community garden.

You need to learn what free means.  You just listed the price right after you said free.
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« Reply #129 on: October 07, 2012, 03:57:59 PM »

"Under communism you don't have people buying things just getting what they need/want."

 Um, what? That very statement relies on the pretext of capitalism's supply and demand in order to function. If people want something, they create a demand for it, which, in turns, sees to the formation of supply for that specific item. If there's no purchasing of the product, how can one calculate which items have a greater need to the public at large? Ever hear of the subjective theory of value?

You would have the basic needs, food, housing, medical care always available. Look at the Doctors Strike where the doctors couldn't just walk out and let people die, so they gave away free care, to any one who walked in.

for luxury goods like toys and games these would be provided by reciprocation, like how in my community my mom does child care for free but as part of that she has a right to the community garden.

You need to learn what free means.  You just listed the price right after you said free.

Not really, because if she stopped taking care of kids she would still have access to the garden. In theory no one has to work in my community, but we do any way, because its part of the culture (which is debatably a form of coercion)
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« Reply #130 on: October 07, 2012, 05:17:34 PM »

So could I, not caring about the community or culture of it, be allowed to take everything in the community garden? 
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« Reply #131 on: October 07, 2012, 06:28:58 PM »

Exactly. Based on the system that you're condoning, everyone could steal freely from the garden in question. There needs to be a moderator or medium in place that created an even, organized distribution. 
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« Reply #132 on: October 07, 2012, 07:56:13 PM »

Oh my, JSNTS, what have you done?
I know right....I always use the damned apostrophe in "it's" even when I'm not supposed to.
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« Reply #133 on: October 07, 2012, 09:28:30 PM »

 You know what? The more I read his unlogic, the more I begin to realize that it simply doesn't make any sense. Taking his ideas into account on community and collective, let's say that there's a neighborhood made up of three houses. In two of the houses, the owners have food, and one house doesn't have any. Now, let's say that this community lives by the rules that everyone can partake (share) in the food that the other houses have, regardless of whether or not they worked for that food (taking the garden into account). What we would have is a society that simple condones the object of stealing. Under this system, the person with no food could simply take the food from the other two houses, making it impossible for the owners in the other two houses to acclimate their food in the manner that they see fit.

 His basic premise is a constant of immorality. Without the distribution of property, there isn't any sense of logical order. 
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« Reply #134 on: October 07, 2012, 11:59:58 PM »

So could I, not caring about the community or culture of it, be allowed to take everything in the community garden? 

You could, but it is requested that you leave as you are able, like a church offering plate
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