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Author Topic: Adam Kokesh: "Anarcho-Capitalists are the real anarchists"  (Read 27865 times)
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« Reply #60 on: July 30, 2012, 08:50:06 PM »

The dynamics of property and ownership change over the course of the series as Mars goes from a place that will kill you without your suit to a place where you can swim in the oceans and sleep outside in the nude. 

Is it just me, or do many ancoms seem to like this concept of sleeping outside in the nude? 

Sleeping outside in the nude is the best way to disprove the notion that 'all men were created equal'
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« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2012, 08:10:07 AM »

An coms are destructive, violent individuals, and the more I look at things, the more I realize that Adam is right. A cap is the only morale and rational stateless position. Ancom is a relic of the past that needs to be forgotten.

You've clearly met the wrong kind of "an coms". That sounds nothing like the rational people that through dialogue converted me to mutualism. Sometimes I get the feeling that the red scare is still going strong in the states. As much as mention socialism and a 100 libertarians jump in to tell you how bad socialism is. I'm a socialist. I considered myself a voluntary socialist even when I labeled myself as anarcho-capitalist. I do not in any way seek to violently enforce my beliefs on other people. Rather I believe in social change through dialogue, education, activism and leading by example. There are a lot of good socialist ideas that even anarcho-capitalists could get behind. Don't turn this into a second reddit please. Theres enough circlejerk on the /r/anarcho-capistlism subreddit.
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« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2012, 08:25:26 AM »

That sounds nothing like the rational people that through dialogue converted me to mutualism.

Then you've met some folks whom I have not met: rational people that through dialogue can promote mutualism without resorting to force.

That's been the fatal error of every non-private-property "anarchist" I've yet met, they have not presented how they will abolish private property and money without a state to do the abolishing.
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« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2012, 10:35:06 AM »

That sounds nothing like the rational people that through dialogue converted me to mutualism.

Then you've met some folks whom I have not met: rational people that through dialogue can promote mutualism without resorting to force.

That's been the fatal error of every non-private-property "anarchist" I've yet met, they have not presented how they will abolish private property and money without a state to do the abolishing.

I consider them very different concepts.  The voluntary socialists need not abolish anything and already peacefully coexist.  We use to call them hippies.  I like the hippies.  The other group sees capitalism as something to destroy in order to free people from it.  We call them ancoms.

Ancaps claim other forms of government and social structures can exist within ancap.  Without the ancaps forcing socialists to do anything, everyone is free to setup as they wish.  The same can function in reverse with the hippies.  However the ancoms that are all about destroying capitalism do not offer that option (which is why we still consider them statists), nor do fascist type statists that wish to destroy socialism.  

Most libertarians are still capitalistic statists, even if it is a minarchy.  They are not the ones to look for support from for voluntary socialism.

The difference between ancaps and hippies is what they consider the best option available for their freely made associations.  
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« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2012, 08:25:40 PM »

Personally, I find the concept of voluntaryist much more appealing than the anarcho "put label here". I see nothing wrong with an anarcho socialist society existing within a private property based one. I just ask that they respect other people.
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« Reply #65 on: November 05, 2012, 02:08:39 AM »

Personally, I find the concept of voluntaryist much more appealing than the anarcho "put label here". I see nothing wrong with an anarcho socialist society existing within a private property based one. I just ask that they respect other people.

If they come for my property I'll have to take care of business. Until then who cares what they do?
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