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« on: April 10, 2012, 06:41:46 PM »

 Hi guys,

 I have a question that, from your standpoint, may seem highly unusual. However, being that I'm an overly anxious/overly worried individual (I'm sure most of you know that by now), I simply must get this stuff out of my system. I've been doing a lot of soul searching in my life, and I've decided that I want to pursue a career in medical administration. I've always to be involved in the medical field, but I'm not bright enough to be a doctor. I've also created an interest in entering the business field, so being in this area of study puts the two together in a great package. Originally, I was planning on going into the political science field, but after spending a semester in it, I can see that doing that is nothing more than a load of bullshit. Trust me on this: the area is controlled by a bunch of extreme left, tree-hugging, socialist loving, collective humping morons who deserve to be locked in cages for their rest of their lives and deprived of basic needs. OK. That was a little extreme, but believe me, they're--the students and professors--crazy loons.

 Now, here's my question: do you think entering this field makes me a traitor to the anarchist cause? I know this question probably sounds crazy, but I wanted your opinion. With this field, I have the ability to go into the private sector, and that's exactly what I want to do. However, with the government over reaching it's bounds in the health field, I don't want everything to end up being taken over by the hydra in Washington. Thus, I want your opinion: do you think I'm making a good career choice and not putting myself into the hands of the government? I know AgoristTeen wants to end the medical field as well, so maybe he can give me his perception on the matter. Again, I've had an issue with this for a while now, so I just wanted your personal opinion on my personal issue.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2012, 06:49:32 PM »

Heretic! Burn him!!!!  Angry

I don't think there is anything morally wrong about going into that field. I don't think you'll enjoy it though. All you'd be doing with your life is filling out government paperwork and obeying arbitrary government mandates.

If you want to get involved in medicine I would do it within the paradigm of the agora. But that's just me.
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2012, 06:54:59 PM »

 I don't think that's completely true. If I end up in the public sector, than yes, I'd probably have to do that. But if I end up working for a consulting firm or private medical practice (something I would love), I can see the latter avoiding the issue in some way or another. Would I be completely avoiding the issue? Most likely not.
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2012, 07:34:23 PM »

Entering that field isn't putting a gun to anyone's head.  No coercion, no problem.

But like Seth said, it will probably drive you nuts if you wind up working for a hospital.

I worked for two months for Trinity Health in North Dakota in their IT department and wanted out almost immediately.  Orientation was nothing but a glorification of state 'benevolence' and the lady just couldn't shut up about how wonderful it is that Trinity is a non-profit.

The real headache is with the Joint Commission.  Google it, but it is a quasi private entity who has a monopoly on certifying, auditing, and inspecting medical practices for their worthiness for receiving gubbmint money.  If you work in medical, chances are you'll encounter this beast.  Then there is the nonsense with Hippa.  We were forbidden from looking at our own personal medical records because its against the roolz. 

But then the medical fascism really took a turn for the hilarious.  Trinity outsourced us to one of the major medical software vendors (Cerner) who has some of the worst software I have ever seen (The FDA is responsible for software quality in the medical industry).  They offered us all jobs 'doing something' so I took it as a hint to bail.  So I looked up Cerner and they exist because of corporatist political favors and subsidy.  I wanted no part of that.

But, you gota follow your heart.  Success is the measure of how much bullshit you are willing to put up with to get what you want.
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2012, 07:40:10 PM »

I studied physics at the University of Maryland. I'm a waiter right now, for crying out loud. Talk about wasted potential! Ahh, but I'm okay with it because my energies are better spent dismantling the state than working for it.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2012, 07:45:56 PM »

I wouldn't let the state deter you from doing something you want to do. I'm going to be an electrician after school and I'll have to deal with all those licenses and regulations, but fuck it. It's what I want to do.
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2012, 07:49:50 PM »

 What I would probably end up doing is working for someone that owns a private practice, much like Dr. Paul. Small, flexible, and probably not nearly as much BS from the state.
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2012, 08:01:57 PM »

I wouldn't let the state deter you from doing something you want to do. I'm going to be an electrician after school and I'll have to deal with all those licenses and regulations, but fuck it. It's what I want to do.

No chance of going agorist?

You don't want to let the state deter you of your passions. In my case it does appear that the state is in the way of my passions, but I don't think there is much to do about that. Let me explain.

As happy as I would be doing physics research the rest of my life my true passion is space. My goal has been to be an astronaut for quite some time. Up until 2005 I was on track to become one. But around the time I left school I realized that the state run space program was a dead end.

I'd always been a libertarian but had to reconcile my support for NASA by justifying it as defense spending. When Bush promised to put a man on Mars by the year 2020 I was excited because it would mean that I would be 38 at that age, the exact age of Neil Armstrong when he set foot on the Moon.

Eventually, I realized that the promise of landing on Mars would not come to fruition like pledged and began to take a more sobering look at NASA. Even before NASA started to get scaled back and announced its intention to ground the shuttle program I realized where things were headed. The space program was heading towards the private sector. Problem is that the state is destroying the economy so bad that there is so little chance of the private sector doing anything near what it could or should. So, I came to the conclusion that in order for the private sector to thrive in space we were going to need to abolish the state first.

In my hope of hopes the state will be abolished sooner rather than later, giving me enough time to put my full energies back into space ambitions. It's a roundabout way of doing things but it must be done.

I don't know if that will help you in your journey or not. Just a story I felt like telling.
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2012, 08:15:19 PM »

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What I would probably end up doing is working for someone that owns a private practice, much like Dr. Paul. Small, flexible, and probably not nearly as much BS from the state.

Would a small operation need an administrator?  Dr. Paul didn't accept medicare or medicaid IIRC, and I believe that is where most of the costs come from for administration; compliance.

@Seth

Maybe we can strike a deal with the statists,

"We'll let you keep earth without any problems, but pay for us to go to Mars and we'll call it even." =)
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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2012, 08:27:38 PM »

BlackandGr9y why do you think you're not smart enough to be a doctor? I mean you were smart enough to become realize anarchism is the way to go, which makes you smarter than the vast majority of doctors in the U.S. Also to be precise I'm going into the medical research field, neuroscience, or the research of the brain to be more specific so I don't know how applicable my advice will be. I would have preferred going into physics, since physics is my true passion, however from what I know I'd have to deal with a lot of red tape, and bureaucracy which I would NOT deal with very well. Plus there is the fact that the majority of the funding for such research comes from the gov't. Neuroscience on the other hand I have the ability to work for a private business, though it would be a corporation, which doesn't set well with me, though it's better than working as a teacher at a university. And there's always the possibility that once I save up enough money, and get the necessary equipment I could start my own agorist neuroscience research business...since technology advances is making DIY research easier, and easier as well as cheaper. But anyway I would personally recommend you at least consider becoming a doctor, since that way you could set up a private practice in the agora.
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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2012, 08:30:05 PM »

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What I would probably end up doing is working for someone that owns a private practice, much like Dr. Paul. Small, flexible, and probably not nearly as much BS from the state.

Would a small operation need an administrator?  Dr. Paul didn't accept medicare or medicaid IIRC, and I believe that is where most of the costs come from for administration; compliance.

@Seth

Maybe we can strike a deal with the statists,

"We'll let you keep earth without any problems, but pay for us to go to Mars and we'll call it even." =)

I like it. I like it! I can see it now. Libertarians colonize and terraform Mars, making it paradise. Then the Earth bureaucrats arrive and create a stamp tax. Then a man by the name of Thomas Splaine writes a book entitled Common Logic and mentions how plentiful Manna grows on Mars and how the Martian colonists should declare their independence. The Martians win, yet 200 years later somehow Manna has been banned.  Sad
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2012, 08:42:52 PM »

I wouldn't let the state deter you from doing something you want to do. I'm going to be an electrician after school and I'll have to deal with all those licenses and regulations, but fuck it. It's what I want to do.

No chance of going agorist?

You don't want to let the state deter you of your passions. In my case it does appear that the state is in the way of my passions, but I don't think there is much to do about that. Let me explain.

As happy as I would be doing physics research the rest of my life my true passion is space. My goal has been to be an astronaut for quite some time. Up until 2005 I was on track to become one. But around the time I left school I realized that the state run space program was a dead end.

I'd always been a libertarian but had to reconcile my support for NASA by justifying it as defense spending. When Bush promised to put a man on Mars by the year 2020 I was excited because it would mean that I would be 38 at that age, the exact age of Neil Armstrong when he set foot on the Moon.

Eventually, I realized that the promise of landing on Mars would not come to fruition like pledged and began to take a more sobering look at NASA. Even before NASA started to get scaled back and announced its intention to ground the shuttle program I realized where things were headed. The space program was heading towards the private sector. Problem is that the state is destroying the economy so bad that there is so little chance of the private sector doing anything near what it could or should. So, I came to the conclusion that in order for the private sector to thrive in space we were going to need to abolish the state first.

In my hope of hopes the state will be abolished sooner rather than later, giving me enough time to put my full energies back into space ambitions. It's a roundabout way of doing things but it must be done.

I don't know if that will help you in your journey or not. Just a story I felt like telling.

You have a point. I have a better chance of working off the books as an electrician than you do in a privatized space exploration group I suppose Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2012, 08:52:01 PM »

I wouldn't let the state deter you from doing something you want to do. I'm going to be an electrician after school and I'll have to deal with all those licenses and regulations, but fuck it. It's what I want to do.

No chance of going agorist?

You don't want to let the state deter you of your passions. In my case it does appear that the state is in the way of my passions, but I don't think there is much to do about that. Let me explain.

As happy as I would be doing physics research the rest of my life my true passion is space. My goal has been to be an astronaut for quite some time. Up until 2005 I was on track to become one. But around the time I left school I realized that the state run space program was a dead end.

I'd always been a libertarian but had to reconcile my support for NASA by justifying it as defense spending. When Bush promised to put a man on Mars by the year 2020 I was excited because it would mean that I would be 38 at that age, the exact age of Neil Armstrong when he set foot on the Moon.

Eventually, I realized that the promise of landing on Mars would not come to fruition like pledged and began to take a more sobering look at NASA. Even before NASA started to get scaled back and announced its intention to ground the shuttle program I realized where things were headed. The space program was heading towards the private sector. Problem is that the state is destroying the economy so bad that there is so little chance of the private sector doing anything near what it could or should. So, I came to the conclusion that in order for the private sector to thrive in space we were going to need to abolish the state first.

In my hope of hopes the state will be abolished sooner rather than later, giving me enough time to put my full energies back into space ambitions. It's a roundabout way of doing things but it must be done.

I don't know if that will help you in your journey or not. Just a story I felt like telling.

You have a point. I have a better chance of working off the books as an electrician than you do in a privatized space exploration group I suppose Tongue


Actually, I highly suspect that in order for private space programs to really get going they'll start off with space tourism. First, it will be quick up and down flights. Then there will be earth orbits. Followed by space hotels. That will last a while until somebody builds a hotel on the Moon.

I think we'll see these things in our lifetimes. Just have to get rid of you know who first.
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2012, 08:58:23 PM »

Whoops! Black and Grey posted a question a second ago about whether or not it was wrong to pursue that goal, to which I replied:

Life is a journey. It will take you on many paths. Don't get so hung up on what you may or may not do x years from now. The real question is whether or not to go to college. Where was that debate David posted by Walter and Gary? I'm on Gary's side on this one. College is bunk.

Problem was, I accidentally MODIFIED his post, instead of replying to it. So, his post is gone. But my reply to it survived.  Grin
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2012, 08:58:38 PM »

I wouldn't let the state deter you from doing something you want to do. I'm going to be an electrician after school and I'll have to deal with all those licenses and regulations, but fuck it. It's what I want to do.

No chance of going agorist?

You don't want to let the state deter you of your passions. In my case it does appear that the state is in the way of my passions, but I don't think there is much to do about that. Let me explain.

As happy as I would be doing physics research the rest of my life my true passion is space. My goal has been to be an astronaut for quite some time. Up until 2005 I was on track to become one. But around the time I left school I realized that the state run space program was a dead end.

I'd always been a libertarian but had to reconcile my support for NASA by justifying it as defense spending. When Bush promised to put a man on Mars by the year 2020 I was excited because it would mean that I would be 38 at that age, the exact age of Neil Armstrong when he set foot on the Moon.

Eventually, I realized that the promise of landing on Mars would not come to fruition like pledged and began to take a more sobering look at NASA. Even before NASA started to get scaled back and announced its intention to ground the shuttle program I realized where things were headed. The space program was heading towards the private sector. Problem is that the state is destroying the economy so bad that there is so little chance of the private sector doing anything near what it could or should. So, I came to the conclusion that in order for the private sector to thrive in space we were going to need to abolish the state first.

In my hope of hopes the state will be abolished sooner rather than later, giving me enough time to put my full energies back into space ambitions. It's a roundabout way of doing things but it must be done.

I don't know if that will help you in your journey or not. Just a story I felt like telling.

You have a point. I have a better chance of working off the books as an electrician than you do in a privatized space exploration group I suppose Tongue


Actually, I highly suspect that in order for private space programs to really get going they'll start off with space tourism. First, it will be quick up and down flights. Then there will be earth orbits. Followed by space hotels. That will last a while until somebody builds a hotel on the Moon.

I think we'll see these things in our lifetimes. Just have to get rid of you know who first.

I'm really excited about this space tourism business. Did you (or anyone else) watch Stossel's "No They Can't" special? It got me really jazzed when they talked about it, and how in the future a trip into space would cost the same as plane tickets. Anarchist moon colony anyone?
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