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AgoristTeen1994
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« on: March 26, 2012, 08:12:20 PM »

http://www.yaliberty.org/posts/libertarians-need-to-lie-more
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2012, 08:28:23 PM »

The article makes a good point. Fiction can be incredibly powerful as a means to spread a message and make a more significant emotional impact. I've dabbled in anarchist themed short stories and poetry, myself. Who knows, maybe I can start spreading them after some revisions. Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2012, 09:55:08 PM »

Alongside Night is an agorist novel, you can also find some webcomics, such as Escape From Terra.  I wouldn't put SSDD on the list, it's a bit dystopian, but that might be a good thing.  People tend to forget that anarchism won't end all of humanity's problems.
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2012, 10:43:07 PM »

People tend to forget that anarchism won't end all of humanity's problems.

EVERYTHING WILL BE PERFECT ONCE WE ABOLISH THE STATE!!!!!!!!   Angry
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2012, 11:17:47 PM »

Um....okay then Seth. You do realize that since humanity is flawed that no society will ever be perfect...right? "Slowly backs away from the ticking time bomb Seth will now become"
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2012, 11:52:30 PM »

Um....okay then Seth. You do realize that since humanity is flawed that no society will ever be perfect...right? "Slowly backs away from the ticking time bomb Seth will now become"

KABOOM!!!
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 08:34:20 AM »

I've been watching Star Trek: The Next Generation again.  I have to wonder if Roddenberry wasn't a closet anarcho-communist.   It is very interesting watching the show now being an anarchist.

I would like to read some anarcho-space fiction.  Anarchists leave earth and are mercilessly hunted by the one world earth government.  How would the fledgling anarchist space colonies fight off their attackers? Tune in next week...


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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2012, 09:50:39 AM »

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I would like to read some anarcho-space fiction.  Anarchists leave earth and are mercilessly hunted by the one world earth government.  How would the fledgling anarchist space colonies fight off their attackers? Tune in next week...
Take a look at Escape From Terra.
http://www.bigheadpress.com/eft
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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2012, 09:51:01 AM »

I've been watching Star Trek: The Next Generation again.  I have to wonder if Roddenberry wasn't a closet anarcho-communist.   It is very interesting watching the show now being an anarchist.

I would like to read some anarcho-space fiction.  Anarchists leave earth and are mercilessly hunted by the one world earth government.  How would the fledgling anarchist space colonies fight off their attackers? Tune in next week...


I liked the original series, however:
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The United Federation of Planets, also known as "The Federation" is a fictional interplanetary federal republic depicted in the Star Trek television series and motion pictures. In those episodes and films, the Federation is described as an interstellar federal polity with, as of the year 2373, more than 150 member planets and thousands of colonies spread across 8,000 light years of the Milky Way Galaxy, and taking the form of a post-capitalist liberal democracy and constitutional republic.[1] It has also been described as a utopian socialist society...


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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2012, 01:11:42 AM »

I would like to read some anarcho-space fiction.  Anarchists leave earth and are mercilessly hunted by the one world earth government.  How would the fledgling anarchist space colonies fight off their attackers? Tune in next week...

This is close to what you are looking for.
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2012, 05:09:18 AM »

" ... EVERYTHING WILL BE PERFECT ONCE WE ABOLISH THE STATE ..."

Classic Liberals, libertarians, and anarchists have been accused of having a "Utopian Dream" that could never happen in the real world. "Realists" especially make this accusation.

No sensible man believes that we will see "perfection" here on Earth, but it is sensible to strive for the most peace, prosperity, and happiness possible. Than comes from freedom and liberty. The Austrian School has shown over and over that government intervention leads to a lessening of society's ability to provide goods and services. Simple observation of history shows us that government intervention into the affairs of "foreigners" (war) is a disaster.

The "drug war" has now led to the situation where the USA has now outdone Stalin's Gulag in numbers of men and women kept in cages.

Our ideas lead to Perfection? No. A darn lot better than government? Yes.

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 12:07:02 PM »

I would like to read some anarcho-space fiction.  Anarchists leave earth and are mercilessly hunted by the one world earth government.  How would the fledgling anarchist space colonies fight off their attackers? Tune in next week...

Best I could suggest is Firefly and Serenity. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2013, 01:45:17 PM »

Um....okay then Seth. You do realize that since humanity is flawed that no society will ever be perfect...right? "Slowly backs away from the ticking time bomb Seth will now become"

He's joking.  Where are the [sarcasm] tags, darnit!

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2013, 01:57:42 PM »

I would like to read some anarcho-space fiction.  Anarchists leave earth and are mercilessly hunted by the one world earth government.  How would the fledgling anarchist space colonies fight off their attackers? Tune in next week...

Best I could suggest is Firefly and Serenity. 


Firefly was good, but I thought that Serenity really brought the point home, with how the Reavers were created.
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2013, 02:16:44 PM »

I agree.  As I've said elsewhere on the forum, we need more "non-obvious propaganda".   I define this as entertainment that exists to entertain, but which contains positive viewpoints of anarchy/voluntarism/libertarianism/whatever   This is distinct from regular propaganda, who's primary purpose is not to entertain, but rather to present political viewpoints.     The obvious stuff is too easily dismissed, and the usually heavy-handed presentation is usually at the detriment of what might have been a good story. 

Example of the former:    Monster Hunter International.
Another example:   The writings of F. Paul Wilson.

That stuff is out there; there's more of it than you think.    But not nearly enough.    And we need to infiltrate more genres than just horror/scifi/comics.   


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