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1  Questions And Challenges / Questions About Anarcho-Capitalism / Re: Anarchocapitalism leads to Minarchism with Monopolies? on: March 09, 2014, 09:37:45 AM
They'd have to change their business model but I think it could be done if they wanted it.

I look forward to hearing of this cola state, where we all bend to the will of the soda companies.  

You guys do understand that the soda thing was an example, of how cartels work in today's world to keep the smaller players out of the market.

A much better and much more dangerous real world example is the huge banking cartels that currently have a cartopoly on the world's money supply... Absolutely control of quadrillion of artificial tokens that you couldn't even eat to avoid starvation or burn to keep warm beyond a few seconds in the freezing cold, yet without which the real economy grinds to a screeching halt.

I understand perfectly well it was an example.  I believe it was a completely false example with zero basis in reality, therefore useless as an example.  The reality is they do not have any such capability to do as was proposed in the example.  It is unable to be applied to anything.  

Banks are not an -opoly either.  There are hundreds if not thousands of banks in one country alone.   They do not have absolute control of anything.  

Virtually every country in the world (with the exception of a few "rogue" nations that are likely designated as this because they don't sell their constituents souls to the banksters) follows the central banking model, the best example being the US "Federal" "Reserve" which is not Federal (it's a private corp) and has no reserves (it's all fiat currency, created by stroke of the pen). They have an absolute lock on the issue of dollars (Federal Reserve notes) and if you say that doesn't give them a lock on basically everything else then try to live more than a few days without using their money.

Yes there are a few limited supply alternate currencies like bitcoin (that the bankster's enforcement arm, the state is desperately trying to demonize and stamp out) and the now defunct Liverty Dollar (which they succeeded in stamping out along with imprisoning its founder on trumped up charges... AND impounded/stole all of the privately owned silver and gold from their vaults that the LD was backed by).

Small bank branches do exist though the vast majority of them are branches of large chains and they along with the few regional and local independent chains left are still completely subject to the FDIC and interest rates as set by the Fed.

Oh but that is only because of corrupt state regulation, right?

Sadly that is only a partial explanation... The reality is that every state is merely the enforcement arm of the people behind the scenes controlling the purse strings. Meyer Rothschild: "give me control of a nation's money supply and I care not who makes the laws." I.E., overthrow one state and they will just prop up another one. The only way to go stateless is to also go classless... that doesn't have to mean getting rid of he individuals, but it does necessitate rendering them powerless.
2  Questions And Challenges / Questions About Anarcho-Capitalism / Re: Anarchocapitalism leads to Minarchism with Monopolies? on: March 06, 2014, 09:12:16 PM
They'd have to change their business model but I think it could be done if they wanted it.

I look forward to hearing of this cola state, where we all bend to the will of the soda companies. 

You guys do understand that the soda thing was an example, of how cartels work in today's world to keep the smaller players out of the market.

A much better and much more dangerous real world example is the huge banking cartels that currently have a cartopoly on the world's money supply... Absolutely control of quadrillion of artificial tokens that you couldn't even eat to avoid starvation or burn to keep warm beyond a few seconds in the freezing cold, yet without which the real economy grinds to a screeching halt.
3  Questions And Challenges / Questions About Anarcho-Capitalism / Re: Anarchocapitalism leads to Minarchism with Monopolies? on: February 21, 2014, 02:43:30 PM
True monopolies (beside the state) aren't that common even in this economy... the real danger is from cartels. The Coca Colas and PepsiCos of the world colluding together as Frenemies to root out the Royal Crown's and the Double Colas from the market.

Of course consolidations and mergers will also remain a significant problem... especially when taking the cartel factor into account.

The greatest danger however is that a monopoly entity does not have to raise a private army to become an oppressive de facto state. When you have a lock on resources that other people desperately need you can be quite coercive without needing to resort to (direct) physical violence.
4  Questions And Challenges / Challenges To Anarcho-Capitalism / Re: why capitalism is unsustainable on: February 21, 2014, 02:25:45 PM
free market environmentalism. walter block, terry anderson. we would live in a far more sustainable world if we actually had capitalism.. Government is whats holding back concepts like the venus project.
I'm quite familiar with the Venus Project and a huge fan. However, I think it is presented in a convoluted way that does more to hold it back than sell it effectively to the masses who aren't scifi nerds such as myself.

The futuristic designs and architecture are great, but it is the social aspect that has the most appeal. We could have a moneyless, resource-based or even simply a steady-state economy without needing to abandon the cities of the world or build these new futuristic cities. They look great but cast an air of impossibility that gets needlessly confounded with the more important economic reforms he presents that need to be discussed.

Or as you suggest we could build the cities now under the current endless-growth money/market model. Though I think the biggest block to that is Jacques Fresco is going to hold onto those blueprints until he is certain the technology is only implemented when society adopts the above economic reform. And as he is in his late 90's it probably isn't going to happen while he is still here.
5  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Ancom vs Ancap on: February 21, 2014, 01:13:26 PM
There is another difference... AnCaps believe that a person's value is utilitarian based on what they can contribute, while AnComs believe it is innate and everyone has value simply because they are human, and we all bleed the same color.

Thus AnCaps have no problem with private tyrannies (work places) because of the theory that if conditions are too bad the workers can go somewhere else... but they must earn their inalienable right to life and liberty by the sweat of their brow. However, competition is irrelevant here because conditions will be the same everywhere... workers will get the minimum pay and the maximum productivity expectations that the market will bear. No one *chooses* to work in a sweatshop! They do it out of necessity. The coercion is not direct, but it is intrinsic to the system.

You can guess which direction I lean, but I don't say AnCaps aren't true anarchists. I would take one any day over a Republicrat.

I would personally advocate a hybrid solution, which should satisfy both schools and also shore up each other's systemic weaknesses in order to advocate a hopefully bulletproof system, using the software market as model. Free/Open Source software is developed completely voluntarily by devoted communities, without coercion (systemic or direct) or expectation of profit, and made freely available for everyone on the planet to download and use for no cost. We are talking about some of the most solid software out there that provides 95% of the backbone of the internet. Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP to name a few. No one can seriously claim it isn't the best of the best. However, it has not crashed the commercial software market and in fact bolsters it by providing more choices AND forcing commercial companies to stay on top of their game and not only out compete other vendors but also give people a reason to spend money for something they could get for free. And some open source products even have dual licensing models, where you can get the "community version" for free but can also buy a commercial license for value added extras such as additional functionality and professional support.

I could easily see this model extended into the offline world where all of the basic goods and services needed to support human life on this planet to a reasonably comfortable degree could be provided freely by a community option, yet entrepreneurs would still be allowed to compete and sell value added extras that many people would want above and beyond basic living.

For example, a community project may exist that can provide a reasonably comfortable and safe home for you and your family for free (or participation in the mutual support program), but if you want a 30-room McMansion you are going to have to work for it just like you would in this society.

What say you guys? Can we build a united anarchist front and take on our common enemy preventing this from happening (our ever-loving state)?
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