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1  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Dealing with University Propaganda? on: September 04, 2013, 07:48:01 PM
For those interested, I've come across even more blatant propaganda.

Here's our first Assignment in my Introduction to Policing course:

Introduction to Policing CRJS 254
Fall 2013
Assignment 1

Due Date: September 5, 2013 @ 11am

1.   Read the section in Chapter 1 on northern and southern development of policing and do an internet search for any information pertaining to the development of policing in the United States.

2.   Watch the following short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVJMtCAX5fs
(Note: Although this video might be “biased” in the sense that it comes from a certain perspective, it nonetheless offers what are historical facts. That said, my intention in having you watch this is not a statement against or for the 2nd Amendment or guns, only to provide you with some needed depth of information that provides context to this issue).

3.   Then compare and contrast the colonial northern watch with the southern slave patrols. You can do this in bullet point style or side-by-side lists of various important facts that show comparisons/contrasts.

If you watch the video, notice that what the man argues is based on circumstantial evidence, not historical fact - yet the professor blatantly states it as "historical fact." The man arguing even says in another video that everything he said was only circumstantial evidence.

For some reason, this professor wants to make it very clear that the current policing system is based on the slave patrols. I don't know where he's going with this.

Anyways, I don't like it very much when professors so blatantly try to force opinions into people's minds.
So, first I sent out this E-mail to every student taking the course with me:

I've just opened up this assignment up, which looks to have been posted on Wednesday and is apparently due Thursday morning. Did anyone have access to it beforehand? Giving an assignment like this with a one-day time period for completion is absolutely ridiculous.

But that's not the important part,


I've done a quick Google search and all of the claims made in this apparently "educational video" are very easily refuted. The professor has stated what is said in the video as "historical facts" when in reality they are "vastly dubious opinion." It is not likely that the Second Amendment was passed to protect slavery.

In the video clip below, Thom Hartmann admits that all evidence for his argument is CIRCUMSTANTIAL. It is Thom's OPINION that the 2nd Amendment was created to protect the slave trade, NOT a "historical fact". I can't believe anyone who calls himself a professor would ever try to claim opinion as fact.


If interested, see this source containing counter-arguments:


It is, however, likely that the modern day system of "patrolling" was influenced by the "slave patrol." I have no idea why this professor thinks this is a relevant fact to point out, though. If anyone else is outraged by this guy shoving his political opinions down our throats and claiming said opinions to be "historical fact," please message me.

Then, I sent out another Email to the professor:

Hello Professor,

In your assignment, you referred to the information in the video below as "historical fact."

I'd like to point out that in this video, the entirety of his argument is based on "circumstantial evidence," i.e., not "historical fact." One should not claim opinion as fact, especially one in charge of molding young minds.

This might get interesting.
2  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Dealing with University Propaganda? on: September 02, 2013, 10:54:45 PM
You could probably take that degree you are working on and use it as a credential in running a private security organization.  I hear that there is also some discretion allowed by police as to which laws they individually enforce. 

Guys, don't take a dump on the whole field.  It isn't like crime would vanish in a free society. 

If I were you, I would eat the sociology garbage since you are on the G.I. bill.  If you want, you can make some really solid claims against the race stuff in class. 

None of us were alive at the time to commit the offense.  No one here was alive at the time to be offended.  It is a crime we did not commit. 

Most slaves were enslaved by their own race throughout history.  They were then traded to others. 

I disagree on the issue mentioned of perpetuating the government through going to college.  Individually we are not even a drop in an enormous bucket.  It is more important that we do well in life to enable us to do things like move to NH and integrate/contribute to the community than worry about what some tiny amount of money could potentially go to the government that prints all they could ever want.  By the way, governments lose money through education, even college.  I agree college is a rip off, but if anyone can get that little piece of paper for low/no cost, it would be idiotic not to get it. 

Thank you, everything you said makes a lot of sense.

I've decided to push through it. It still causes me to feel hesitant when on campus, especially when in certain classrooms like sociology. I just feel anxious and not right sitting in that room. But, I got to thinking... and I think that's a good thing. I've been thinking it's probably a huge benefit to get outside my comfort zone and to get used to speaking out even when my opinion is unpopular. Doing exactly that is a trait I find in people that I often look up to.

I do plan to stand up against her teachings whenever she says something really stupid, like when she showed the pic of Trayvon and equated it to "America is a racist country." The funny thing is... I looked in the book on the parts about race. It does talk about racial privileges, but it also talks about class privilege, gender privilege, and many other privileges certain people enjoy. The book also points out that minorities enjoy privileges, too, that whites don't enjoy such as special scholarships, organizations, grants, etc. That is the kind of education I signed up for. The teacher, on the other hand, would rather emphasize racial privilege and pretend that no other "privileges" exist (,i.e., white people are bad).

I'm liking your idea about opening a private security organization...
3  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Dealing with University Propaganda? on: August 30, 2013, 07:35:55 PM
One thing you could consider is finish your degree in Criminal Justice and then look for work completely outside of your field. Even having that degree could help you get a job doing something completely different. A degree is better than no degree when it comes to looking for work.

Also, if the feds are paying for your college, then there's no financial disincentive to finish.

Yep, that's one thing that I've been considering. I just have to decide if it's worth it listening to these professors and gritting my teeth the whole time.

Get this: the guys working for degrees in the soft "sciences" only had to take 100 level math courses. The system is seriously skewed.

I hardly even consider things like sociology and psychology sciences at all, I consider them to be more along the lines of philosophy.
4  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Dealing with University Propaganda? on: August 30, 2013, 06:41:55 PM
I was a Math Major and I quit for similar reasons. As a Math Major I was required to take 6 credits of sociology 9 of psyc and 9 of English. And it got worse if you wanted a Master's or PhD (I did). Every single time I got into one of those classes it was the same bullshit and I was like fuck this. Then when I went to the tutor to ask about Math I was told "Don't worry about why this stuff works, just memorize the steps." I replied "You can't be serious, this is my major we're talking about and you don't want me to understand it fully?" That straw broke the camel's back right there.

And this is MATH you're talking about. MATH! I can't even wrap my head around why you would need a background in Sociology and Psychology for a math major.

Yeah, that last bit is just ludicrous. You were paying these people such great amounts of money so that you can learn to memorize steps. I bet I could memorize steps with a simple google search.
5  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Dealing with University Propaganda? on: August 30, 2013, 06:29:44 PM
Obviously it's going to vary depending on where you live, you have way more knowledge about the economic conditions where you live. I live in New Mexico near Albuquerque and the job market is a nasty dirty old pile of garbage. I live with my parents because I haven't been able to find a job. There's the sign that your life is going good right? 23 and living with the parents...

I don't think it's that uncommon anymore. If it makes you feel any better, I'm 25 and still live with my folks until I'm done with college. The important part is that you're doing everything you can to find a job. There's lots of people out there who couldn't care less about it.

The Associates and the military service will definitely help you. I don't have either of those so I think I'm at the bottom of the applicant pile.

I'm hoping that you're right about that. I don't think I can take even one semester of this garbage these Uni Professors are spewing. It makes me sick to my stomach sitting in their classes.
6  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Dealing with University Propaganda? on: August 30, 2013, 06:04:11 PM
I would drop that major and those career goals like a bad habit, but that's just me.
I don't think joining the state's gang is the way to do that. Furthermore as a PO you'd be responsible for punishing people for putting shit in their bodies... That sounds more like an obnoxious job... But that's just me.

I actually agree with the both of you.

I am an Air Force Veteran and have been taking advantage of the Post 9/11 GI Bill to pay for my college so that I can stay debt free. In community college I earned an Associate's in the Administration of Justice. During that general time period, I also had a change of heart about political values and government. But, I only have three semesters left on my Post 9/11 GI Bill. So, it was either continue on with this major and earn it while remaining debt free, or change my major and start all over again from scratch while accumulating massive debt in the process.

In all honesty, I want nothing to do with the Criminal Justice system. But - I've also heard nothing but negatives about how hard it is in the work force these days. I kind of have the mind set of "get a degree or work at McDonalds," though I have no idea if there is any real truth to that.

They are hypocritical bigots.  Fifty years ago, they wanted to combat sexism and racism by encouraging everyone to judge others as individuals.  Now their mantra is that bigotry for shits and giggles against white men and boys is laudable.  I fucking hate liberals (conservatives tend to annoy me more than enrage me, especially if they are more of the paleo than the neo variety).  I have a B.S. and M.S. in electrical engineering, so I was required to take very few liberal arts classes, and the ones that I took, like geography, were fairly harmless.

I am 35, so I am curious about how much things have deterorated.  Please share some examples.

Sure, I have a few.

On the very first day of class, she showed a very emotionally charged video about the "evils of Capitalism." Now, supporting Socialism is afforded to all of us through freedom of speech, so there's nothing wrong with that. But the video she showed did not support Socialism, it only blatantly demonized Capitalists into being power-hungry people who care nothing about others and force the poor to suffer for their own gains.

The first small hint on race was when my Sociology teacher first started talking about race. She said that it is important for her to remember not only that she is a female in society, but that she is a white female in society. And she said we were going to be talking a lot about race in this classroom. I went online and looked up what role race plays in the field of Sociology, and it revolves around the idea of "white privilege." Basically, what this concept states is that whites took land from others, enslaved others, and gained a foothold of power in the world through these "illegitimate means." So, the conclusion is that what white people have gained is through "privilege" only afforded to whites, and that white people didn't actually "earn" anything they have.

Again with my Sociology teacher - the other day she showed a video about the 50th anniversary of MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech. But, at the end the video stated "But have race relations really changed at all in this country?" then showed a big picture of Trayvon Martin. I spoke up about that one, but she did not offer up any counter-arguments on her own - we were just supposed to accept the idea that the whole country is filled with white racists who don't like it when black people walk on their streets.

My Comparative Criminal Justice professor talked about the Trayvon Martin case, too. When bringing up Trayvon, he correctly pointed out that it is normal for teens to have a cocky, dominant attitude - that's just how male teens tend to be. But, he excluded other information - like him being part of a fight club and being a known burglar. On the other hand, in his mind Zimmerman was clearly in the wrong. The professor criticized Zimmerman for things like... calling his neighbor to let him know he had let his garage door open. Zimmerman was apparently taking his job too seriously and being ridiculous - even though his neighborhood had been burgled multiple times in the very recent past.

The message is that if we see people committing crimes in our neighborhood, we should stick our heads in the sand and pretend we don't see anything. It is completely wrong and irrational to protect your neighborhood from crime, in his opinion.

When it comes to my Introduction to Policing professor, we haven't gone through a whole hour and fifteen minute class period without him bringing up how racist cops can be.

Everything is about race. I signed up for college to learn objective information, not to have my professor's ideologies shoved down my throat.

My sociology teacher was a socialist too.

My English teacher said after reading the "Lottery" that if everyone in that town had had weapons they would have killed each other off. I replied "If that were the case wouldn't the military implode?"

I'm constantly faced with stupidity though I don't know if that's because I'm dealing with idiots or just people so indoctrinated that they've not considered alternative paradigms.

I would guess it's the second. I only say this because every liberal philosophy I've heard relies on emotional play. Facts don't matter - what matters is how compassionate your words sound.

I'm seriously thinking of dropping out and possibly going back to community college to get another Associate's degree, perhaps in Information Systems. I've always been good with computers. I can build a computer from spare parts and solve most software problems.

I've talked to my Father about this (he's my go-to) and in his opinion it looks very bad if you drop out of college. But, I can't see myself having any kind of motivation to learn under these obviously moronic people. I feel terrible for giving these people any kind of money at all.

If there is anyone here with recent job-hunting experience, do I have a decent prospect of finding good work with an Associate's degree and having military service under my belt? Would I be better off going back to community college to get another Associate's degree?

*EDIT: I should have mentioned before - I never ran into ANY of this propaganda at community college. Community college was about teaching objective facts - I've only encountered this political talk at University.

7  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Dealing with University Propaganda? on: August 30, 2013, 02:26:34 PM
What is your major? Or do you not have one yet?

Criminal Justice. I was planning on going into Probation Officer work (usually requires a four-year degree). My goal is to have a good mix of decent pay and decent hours, so I can work but have some time left over for hobbies.

I nearly had a mental breakdown the other night with all this anti-white propaganda these Professors are spewing. It's amazing. I knew Colleges are known for being very left-wing, but not to THIS extent.
8  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Dealing with University Propaganda? on: August 29, 2013, 07:04:53 PM
Well, today I finally had the balls to speak up about something. My sociology Professor showed a clip from MSNBC referring to the 50th year anniversary of the "I Have a Dream" speech, which is all well and good. But, at the end of it, they go on to say "But have race relations really improved at all in America?" while showing a picture of Trayvon Martin. So, at the end of it I rose my hand and just said "I'd like to point out, since there's apparently no opposing viewpoints in the room, that all the evidence points to the fact that race had nothing to do with the Trayvon Martin case."

I think my Professor's jaw just about hit the floor and she looked shocked that someone spoke up about it. I didn't see them, but apparently some of the kids in the crowd were shocked at my remark (another student said a lot of them jerked their heads to look back at me).

Later that day in another class, the Professor brought up the Trayvon Martin case again. He DID say that race was not involved in the case, so I commend him for that. But, he later went on to say that Zimmerman was taking his job too seriously, using examples such as... he was telling people they had left their garage door open. Almost everyone in the classroom agreed that Zimmerman was at fault - for trying to protect his neighborhood from burglars.

My sociology teacher has also said a lot of things such as how it's important to recognize that you are white, and talks a lot about how the country is plagued with inequality.

I think I'm going to go ahead and make an appointment with my adviser. I feel like this University is trying to convince me that being white is inherently bad, or making an attempt to instill "white guilt" upon its students.

I might end up dropping out. I didn't sign up for psychological warfare.

And thanks to everyone that has offered me advice thus far, especially those of you who offered up the links for free education services. I really needed to hear some opinions and I really appreciate it.
9  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Dealing with University Propaganda? on: August 28, 2013, 07:18:27 PM
I've found that most arguments in favour of socialism are nothing but appeal to emotion. I think that's what socialism is, a philosophy based on appealing to the base and darker side of human nature.

I've noticed that, too. A lot of the points made thus far in class revolve around the notion of inequality holding an inherently negative connotation. The main "gist" of it all so far seems to be an idea that every human should have just as much in his/her life as any other human. Of course, that completely ignores that different people have different work ethics, contribute more to society, that some are more intelligent than others, etc. And maybe the biggest aspect it ignores... socialism is inherently flawed. The idea is for every citizen to have the same "stuff" as every other citizen. Even if that could be successfully achieved... that means the only inequality that remains is the state. 100% of the population would then be 100% reliant on the state for survival, which of course means the state has 100% of the power. Granting absolute power to one entity hasn't exactly gone well for humankind in the past.

I argued with professors all the time in college.  It didn't hurt my grade at all.  If it does, you can probably get them fired even with tenure.

That's awesome. That's the kind of bravery I'm trying to achieve. I envy you for having the balls to speak up. My sociology teacher actually gives multiple choice tests, so she wouldn't be able to give me a bad grade just because she disagrees with my views. And yeah, if she did give me a bad grade for that reason I would definitely be all over her trying to get her fired.

You wanna know the best way to deal with university propaganda? Drop out. I know I sound a little extreme with this comment, but I'm being dead honest. College is a complete waste of time and energy. I've gained more knowledge self-educating myself than listening to some bozo lecturing at the front of a classroom. Here's a good lesson structure for you:

-Read the $100 Dollar Start-up

-Read Hacking your Education 

-Sign-up for a Lynda.com account and learn actual skills

 I saved you time and debt in about 3 min. Have fun.

Most professions these days require a four-year degree, don't they?


Even if I used a resource such as this and it was successful in teaching me everything I need to know, wouldn't most employers never even look at an application if it doesn't have a four-year degree listed?

10  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Dealing with University Propaganda? on: August 27, 2013, 09:25:44 PM
Here's a bit of advice you normally won't hear.

Consider letting go completely of your libertarian/capitalist beliefs during the course of your time in school.

If you're going into those classes anticipating challenging the professors, you're essentially prejudging and keeping a closed mind.

Imagine you're a sponge looking to soak up and really understand where the opposition is coming from.

1. You're not going to do anything that changes the professor's mind, or likely any other students' minds either.

2. If you attempt to you'll only get bad grades and look like a fool.

You have to pick your battles. And if you don't like what's being taught at school, you can always boycott it by dropping out. Don't tell me you were blindsided either. Everybody knows college is notoriously statist.

I spent a couple years of my life completely letting go of my libertarian values and really soaking up the left-statist philosophy. I think it made me a better person because now I feel I truly understand where the average liberal-statist is coming from.

When talking to them one on one, I can use THEIR terminology and appeal to their emotions to further the voluntaryist goals.

You can't do that if you're unwilling to put yourself in their shoes.

I completely agree with you there - about it being important to see where other people are coming from too and seeing other's perspectives.

What made me mad about it is that she wasn't just "stating the facts" of her socialist views, in my eyes she was using emotional manipulation to mentally bully her students into thinking her way. I was expecting her to just talk about socialism and why some people prefer it, the pros and cons of it, as well as the pros and cons of capitalism, and I would have been completely fine with that. It's the way that she went about it that angered me and made me want to speak up so much.

I have heard a lot about college being statist and strongly leftist a lot, yeah. Luckily, she's the only professor I've had so far who has gotten under my skin. The rest seem to be reasonable people.
11  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Dealing with University Propaganda? on: August 27, 2013, 07:00:02 PM
It's funny that you mention "shaky hands."

Later the Professor went on to say that in Capitalistic societies, all the money goes to the richest. She said something, too, along the lines of "Rich people get paid X amount of money more than the worker, but obviously aren't working X amount harder than the workers." I raised my hand and basically said that if the money is being hoarded and workers aren't being paid a fair amount, then that's a problem with people that don't have a heart - not a flawed system. And I said that the reason rich people can make more money is that wealth grows upon itself since once you gain a large sum of money you can invest in things, start organizations, influence politics in your favor, etc. After I said that, I noticed my hands were shaky because I was scared of backlash I might hear from the rest of the class, visibly shaky. I'm hoping no one noticed that. So I definitely can relate to you on the shaky hands thing.

Yeah, it really bothers me how everyone just agrees. I do get a feeling, though, that maybe I only thought everyone was agreeing with the video - because everyone who agreed would probably be vocal about it and everyone like me who disagreed probably kept to themselves about it. So, then, I only really notice the reactions of the people who agreed, which might make me think they all do. At least, I'm going to tell myself that from now on to give myself a little more courage to speak up against this propaganda.

Thanks for the advice and I have both of your links bookmarked, I will be watching them soon. I feel I will have more confidence to speak up in class if I really educate myself in pro-Capitalist arguments so that I'll know I have "ammo" if someone challenges my beliefs. It wouldn't look good for my views if I made a statement then stood there mouth agape with an "uhhhh" if someone challenges me.

Hopefully then I can combat this "group think" mentality.

Thanks again for your post, I need all the help I can get.

12  General Category / General Discussion / Dealing with University Propaganda? on: August 27, 2013, 06:10:42 PM

My name is Kyle. I'm a current University student and I found this website by searching for "Capitalism Forums."

I hope I'm posting this in the right spot. Sorry to jump into things on the first post of my introduction, but I feel I really need some advice.

I'm taking a Sociology class this year. Today, we've gone over the very first section of the very first chapter of the course material.

One of the very first things my teacher did was show us an obviously emotionally charged/emotionally manipulative video about the "evils of Capitalism," speaking on how the richest 1% hold all of the money in a Capitalistic society and everyone else suffers.

I am all for Capitalism, but after the video was over I heard a lot of people saying "Wow...," and it sounded like nearly everyone was agreeing with the message of the video. In the moment, I found myself agreeing with them from some sort of "group think" mentality. I felt like if I had said something to disagree, everyone else would laugh, ostracize me, or shame me as someone who's advocating "the suffering of the poor." Later when I got home, I felt sick to my stomach that I didn't speak up and publicly shame the Professor for using a video filled with emotional manipulation as "instructional material." I still feel like it's absolutely sick to manipulate young minds into thinking your way through emotional manipulation - in my opinion, she should be fired on the spot for doing that.

So... as for my question, I am hoping that someone here has experienced a similar kind of phenomenon - and if anyone could possibly offer some advice on how to fend away the fear of non-conformance to the group in such a scenario.

I've heard a lot about how Universities have been transformed into indoctrination camps for the far left agenda. I don't want to be one of those people who sits down and accepts it as I see these brainwashing techniques in effect. It makes me sick to my stomach whenever I remind myself that I didn't stand up for my beliefs today.
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