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1  Questions And Challenges / Challenges To Anarcho-Capitalism / Re: arguments from a statist on: December 19, 2013, 07:31:44 AM
So you're proposing that we should be happy and willing to allow technocrats to run every aspect of our lives with enforcement up to and including death?

1) Using a political party platform as a justification is either misinformed or disengenuous. Party platforms use the buzz words of the day to grab the attention of the uninformed. Lincoln was no saint, read The Real Lincoln by Thomas DiLorenzo.
2) I don't think I've seen anyone in this forum argue that any system is perfect, but the basis for all of the arguments is the non-aggression principle. In the Ludlow incident, assuming no sabotage on the part of the miners, the National Guard were the aggressors, oh wait, that's the State technocrat armed response mechanism.
3) The Federal Reserve is a first class raping of people, not control of an unstable system. Monday is the 100th anniversary of the passage of the Monster from Jekyll Island. As a result, a small number of people get control over the medium of exchange with all competitors shut down at the point of a gun
2  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Charting Politics on: November 18, 2013, 07:38:13 AM
Nice feedback on my presidential references. Points well taken. The implication would be, and I don't necessarily disagree, that the US Government has always resided below the bottom edge of the centrist square. The residual challenge would be how to put the chart, in any of its configurations, into historical perspective for the average brainwashed product of the public education system.

I think that's the real challenge with this type of graphic, providing an anchor point. Most people I run across view the top edge of the authoritarian zone as freedom...
3  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Charting Politics on: November 16, 2013, 11:08:30 AM
I admire the attempt and I think that the modified 2D is excellent. Where I think all of them have a challenge is that there are no reference points (it's purely subjective on an individual basis). From that standpoint, I think I would put some historical markers on the modified 2D. Using the presidential terms as the marker, I think here's how they would map out based on some historical reading that I have done;
1) George Washington probably 2 or 3 squares down from the top slightly to the right
2) Abraham Lincoln 3 squares below Washington maybe a couple to the left
3) Woodrow Wilson along the bottom edge of the centrist square
Etc., noting that throughout the history of the US of A, we end up with a zig-zag that continually moves down the 2D graph.
The other point of note is that there have been a couple of presidents who attempted to reverse the trend (Jackson, Cleveland) and the 20th century is completely below the bottom of the centrist square. People are finally starting to realize that there is little separation between the political parties because there is so little left-right separation at the authoritarian end.
The other observation (occurred to me as I wrote this) is that in the space of individual vs. The State, this should probably look more like a funnel. When you have true individual freedom, the horizontal axis is meaningless.
4  Videos / Other Videos / Re: Interesting Army Propaganda in high school on: September 27, 2013, 06:38:52 AM
MAM - you are apparently in your early 20's and congrats to you for your early journey, but I suspect that your frustration is that the people in your age group are less than receptive to your ideas. As for me, I spent my 20's and early 30's building a family and a professional career so I didn't even really start paying attention until those two were established. The shift in world view, in my opinion, becomes much more concrete when you have something that you are trying to protect. I now have two beautiful granddaughters and I am attempting to make the world a better place for them. My personal research has led me to anarchy pure and simple (absence of the state) as the best environment for those two precious girls to thrive in. The attachment to an-whatever labels is a holdover from the state/religion orthodoxies that we are trying to defeat.
5  Videos / Other Videos / Re: Interesting Army Propaganda in high school on: September 26, 2013, 06:23:35 AM
Syock - the Voluntaryist label has definite benefits but I also enjoy the look of confusion on the faces of people when I explain the entomology of "anarchist". Keep in mind that chaos is chaos. Also, explaining NAP to people helps as well.

MAM - excellent. Keep doing it. Sooner or later some of those people will come back to you with follow-up questions and you are in. Another item I have noticed is that if you target people who have already moved to the minarchist position, your success rate will improve.

Keep in mind that we are trying to undo a century of brainwashing. If you are talking with people in their 20's, they are likely the 4th generation of Republicrats and they have been fed this crap since they were toddlers. Personally, I was in my mid thirties before I started comprehending what was going on and made the transition from Republican to libertarian and then to anarchist. That journey took the better part of a decade.
6  Videos / Other Videos / Re: Interesting Army Propaganda in high school on: September 25, 2013, 06:18:51 AM
MAM - engage in conversation about the evils of the state and the lack of necessity for it whenever possible. Defeating the anarchy=chaos is the first hurdle.

I have found that I often have to start the conversation, plant the seed, give it time to germinate, and come back to it days, or even weeks later. Some minds are not fertile enough for the seed to catch, leave them be as they are a waste of calories. Others will take root and need to be nurtured, provided information and resources, to develop.

Now that I think about it, it's kind of like the old adage my dad used for planting corn in the garden - one for the rat, one for the crow, one to rot, and one to grow. A 25% success rate on opening minds is really good considering the plethora of brainwashing systems we are up against.
7  Videos / Other Videos / Re: Interesting Army Propaganda in high school on: September 22, 2013, 09:49:33 AM
Very interesting video Seth. Not only does it propagate the Anarchy=Chaos mantra but it shows that only the best aggressors are required. Bottom line, they are not satisfied subsuming the fruits of our labor and the young and able-bodied, but they are after the brightest minds.

"Leader in Applied Technology" implies that the only viable application for technology is aggression. This works because it has the most immediate tangible results. Besides, all non-aggressive applied technology is hyper-controlled by the alphabet soup agencies of the state.

The best way to counter this, with a nod to Ben Stone's article yesterday, is to educate these same kids on all of the cool, non-aggressive, applied technology that is out there. The situation room guy mentioned the iPad swipe interface - that, in and of itself, is applied technology that doesn't hurt anyone. We have to win the battle for the minds of these kids (and their parents/grandparents). The older they get, the harder they are to deprogram, so we should catch them young.
8  General Category / General Discussion / Re: If An-Cap is econ. right then why do econ. left memes crop up in An-Cap circles? on: September 13, 2013, 06:29:21 AM
All very intriguing, but shouldn't we focus on the left side of the hyphen instead of the right? With the focus on the right side of the hyphen, we are achieving the state's goal for them, we are dividing ourselves into finite chunks allowing for easy defeat and/or discredit.

The focus needs to remain "I am an Anarchist". Once the state is eliminated, we can return to the debate about the right side of the hyphen. Right now I see too much emphasis on how society functions after the elimination of the state, than how to eliminate the state in the first place. This is commonly referred to as putting the cart before the horse, but I prefer to call it mental masturbation.
9  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Violence as a Tactic on: September 11, 2013, 06:22:01 AM
I think that when it happens, it will be spontaneous, not pre-arranged. Scenario would be an individual being assaulted/detained by the constabulary for some statutory violation and the spectating crowd mobilizes.

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Most libertarian anarchists haven't even gotten rid of their driver's permission slips yet.

There is value in avoiding statutory assault and remaining physically unrestrained. I see it as a small price to pay to keep the fascists thinking I'm toeing the line. Also, giving up government issued ID would terminate my current employment as I travel, by air, 3 out of 4 weeks for work. I do, however, use the opportunity to educate fellow travelers on the ridiculousness of the state.

Anarchy is a state of mind above everything else. Getting people's minds into the right space is the key. If we can get 18% of the populace into the right mindset, everything else becomes a simple tactical exercise.
10  General Category / General Discussion / Re: "Everything I Want to Do Is Illegal" on: September 10, 2013, 06:59:03 AM
Thanks for the link to the excellent piece.

Sad part is that it's gotten worse in the 10 years since that article was written. Luckily, I think the general populace is finally starting to realize that the beast is a consumer, not a provider.
11  General Category / General Discussion / Hypocrisy writ large on: August 24, 2013, 09:56:35 AM
http://rt.com/usa/soldier-life-prison-afghans-killing-920/

So let me get this right - you are going to convince a guy that he is "protecting his country", teach him to be a killing machine, teach him to obey the order to kill regardless of who the target is, and then lock him up for life when he kills 16 people who weren't on your list?

No wonder these guys come back from their tours with mental issues. You program them into mindless killing machines and then have them locked up with a self-mortifying statement to boot when they do some mindless killing.

The entire USG should be put on trial for killing innocent people all over the world. Most of these countries don't have electricity or running water, how is it that they could be a "threat"?
12  General Category / General Discussion / Re: I'm having mixed feelings about this article on: August 21, 2013, 06:30:58 AM
Whether the incident itself was manufactured or not is secondary to the evidence presented in the article.

1) The incident was confined to the front office and two individuals until the SWAT team showed up. Imagine the reaction by students, parents, and faculty of having fully armed and armored paramilitary "sweeping" the school. The police response was probably more psychologically damaging to the bulk of the student population than the actual incident, which did not directly involve a single student.
2) The second to the last sentence states "The shooting occurred on just the second week of classes" when the bulk of the article states unequivocally that there were no shots fired. This is quite damning in the space of media bias toward Big Brother control.

The issue to be concerned with is the jack-booted thugs terrorizing students who will then be counseled on how much safer they are with local paramilitary raids happening at their school. They can now grow up to be proper statute abiding citizens with a proper amount of reverence for the power of the state.
13  Questions And Challenges / Challenges To Anarcho-Capitalism / Re: The Austrian School of Ignorance on: August 18, 2013, 09:44:10 AM
This guy is a very typical big government progressive whose condescending view of the "common" man drives his need for the patriarchal state to care for those who are incapable of caring for themselves. The first two minutes must be prefab diatribe from somewhere, because I've heard it almost verbatim from multiple people.

I, for one, am glad that Seth helped him fix his link. It allows others to see the garbage in all its glory. Two tips for assasin7 (in addition to Syock's spelling note); 1) it's a one-armed paper hanger or one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest, and 2) figure out how to set your camera so the world doesn't have to stare at the top half of your wife beater and your nose hair.

Maybe #2 is on purpose since he is one of those people who looks down on commoners as incapable of living their own lives ...  Roll Eyes
14  General Category / General Discussion / Re: How a stateless society might deal with cyber-bullying on: August 12, 2013, 07:19:12 AM
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The other thing to teach your kids is to not give a shit what people think of them. Why do you care about what some asshole thinks, especially if that asshole is some troll on the internet? In fact this might be more important than self defence training!

That IS the best self defense training. I know way too many people of all ages who have never learned this. My preferred statement is "better people than you don't like me", it puts them on their heels...

That said, there is no substitute for self esteem, which the public indoctrination system discourages in the interest of assimilation to the collective (there is no self in the Borg). This is the point at which blaming the state is legitimate. StateHater's post describes the scenario by which the Borg achieves self regulation, the kids who are "different" are bullied into acquiescence by "popular" kids.
15  Questions And Challenges / Challenges To Anarcho-Capitalism / Re: Stupid Statist With Stupid Questions Awaiting Brilliant Answers on: August 07, 2013, 06:27:27 AM
George,

You are trying to make the leap to large scale anarchy in a fashion that is largely untenable. The path from local to regional to worldwide should be viewed as a peer-to-peer network. There will not be an all encompassing, long standing agreement, but a series of finite agreements that control trade.

As for the "untested" argument, the letters of Thomas Jefferson indicate that in the early days of settlement of the North American continent that there was homesteading in cooperation with the indigenous people that worked very well. Jefferson also notes that the indigenous people represented an ideal form of "governance" with individuals being largely autonomous with the elders acting in the mode of DRO. It was not until the formation of the over-arching government entity that people were "given" land to homestead. The Indian wars in the western half of the continent were largely due to the USG forcibly taking over land from the natives to give to the Union Pacific Railroad.

Do a little search of history and you will discover that anarchy, or something damn close, has been tested sufficiently. If you are religious, the Old Testament indicates that the Hebrews lived in anarchy for a couple of centuries prior to begging Samuel for a king.

As for your argument that AnCap and Democracy are the same, you are confounding markets with forcing your neighbors to do something. In an holistic AnCap society, people will vote with their wallets and businesses with thrive or fail as a result but there is nothing preventing you from starting a competing business. In a Democratic political system, it becomes a game of 50%+1 forcing their ideals on the remainder of the population.

It will not settle well until you overcome the idea of benevolent government; that term is an oxymoron.
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