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1  General Category / General Discussion / Re: DRO's ≠ to OCP on: October 14, 2014, 07:33:43 PM
Correct. If the perp is on somebody else's property and they don't want me there, I haven't got any right to trespass. Harboring a criminal is a made up statist crime, as far as I'm concerned. But the minute he steps off, or onto his own property, he's fair game again.

This would actually be a pretty neat form of house arrest, a way to segregate bad guys from the rest.

It bewilders me that you are so eager to disregard and violate an individual's basic rights, just because you think that the person violated someone's rights.  Do you not see the irony in the fact that you are willing to -with 100% certainty- violate an individual's rights because you think -with less than 100% certainty- that the person violated an individual's rights?

Since individuals have culpability, then each and every DRO agent is in violation of the individual's property rights as soon as they step foot on the individual's property.  Just because somebody thinks an individual violated somebody's rights doesn't negate or diminish that particular individual's rights.

Your argument presumes that you know with 100% certainty that the individual violated somebody's rights. This is clearly not going to be the norm; and besides, even if you knew with 100% certainty that the individual violated a person's rights, the DRO agents cannot know with 100% certainty that the individual violated somebody's rights and yet you believe it would be ok that they -the DRO agents, whom do not know with 100% certainty that the perp has violated an individual's rights- violate the person's rights.

I would like to ask; what percentage of certainty is the threshold which will therefore allow a DRO and the agents thereof to violate an individual's rights?

Also, since all property would be owned by somebody, then the DRO would need the property owner's permission to abduct the individual.  So clearly it wouldn't be a form of house arrest if enough property owners allowed the person on -or to traverse- their property.
2  General Category / General Discussion / Re: DRO's ≠ to OCP on: October 14, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
You have a very perverted idea of justice and the NAP. Many of us have tried to talk some sense into you about this, without success. I'm not going to waste any more of my time on you.

 A DRO -or anybody who wasn't present at the time of the incident- can never with 100% certainty know what had happened.  Not even with video can anything be 100% known.  Therefore, the DRO's are acting on beliefs which are less than 100% certain.  You therefore must believe that with their less than 100% certainty that the DRO's- have the jurisdiction or legitimacy to, with 100% certainty, violate an individual's rights.  Does everybody have equal rights in your ideal society or not?

As soon as your DRO agents step foot on someone's property without that person's permission, they -the DRO agents- are, with 100% certainty, violating that person's rights, just the same as if any other individual was doing it.  DRO's and the agents thereof will not have special rights and privileges which Police currently posses today.
3  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Seasteading Ancap Potential? on: October 09, 2014, 01:48:23 PM
If an actual city were ever to be created, and the general principles of the city and its citizens were based on libertarian or AnCap philosophy, then one state or another would send underwater demolitions team to sink the city.
4  General Category / General Discussion / Re: DRO's ≠ to OCP on: October 09, 2014, 01:42:46 PM
Defense is repelling an attack, not attacking someone at a later time and/or place from the incident in which force was initiated against you.  After the initial engagement is over, any further physical action on your part against those who attacked you, previously, is considered an attack or initiation of force/violence.  If an individual -or DRO- has the right/authority to re-engage a party while stating that it is just defense for the initial incident then what is stopping someone from waiting months, years or decades later?  A delayed action such as described is nothing other than retribution or revenge; this would be unacceptable in a moral/ethical society with or without a government.

This is all wrong. You absolutely have the right to go after someone after the fact. Someone barges into your house, ties you up, rapes your wife, and then leaves. He isn't immune from justice simply because you didn't get him in the act.

The concept of rights is derived from the idea that nobody has the authority to deny an individual the ability to sustain their existence, with the possible exception of when sustaining one person is at the expense of the equal ability to sustain another person; or in other words, one individual cannot have their rights violated for the purposes of sustaining any other individual.

After an incident has occured, the threat of harm or the threat of theft or destruction of property is severely diminished to the point of being equal to or less than the threat before the incident had happened; and therefore, any supposed justification for a retalliatory attack is purely emotional and nothing else.

Any possible damage or theft which occurred could only be replaced by having a monetary value placed on all things.  However, the supposed perpetrator will still have to be forced -under threat of death- to show up to the arbitrators, which means that just to get the perpetrator to the arbitrators place of business one would have to be willing to violate the NAP.  Also, if the supposed perpetrator refuses to accept an arbitrator, then any possible hearing would be a sham, it would certainly violate the concept of voluntary interaction.  Acceptance of threatening violence to get someone to -and acceptance of- an arbitrator, would diminish any legitimacy to those who speak-out against the existence of the Police.
5  General Category / General Discussion / DRO's ≠ to OCP on: October 08, 2014, 11:42:57 AM

OCP being the private Police department in Robocop.

I think many people who have frequented this site seem to misunderstand what legitimate actions of a DRO would be.  A DRO is not the same thing as a privatized Police department.  Police is an organization which can only exist due to government, since the Police have rights which are not inherent in the individual.  The Police have the right to apprehend, imprison, and kill individuals for not obeying their dictates.  This would be unacceptable for a DRO to do in the absence of government. 

A DRO would have two actions which they would be legitimate in using: One, act as a Private Detective service; if something happens to you -the DRO customer- then they -the DRO- would be able to discover who or what is responsible for what happened to you.  As part of their detective service, they -the DRO- could make contact with the offending party to inform them of the situation; however, the DRO has no extra rights to apprehend, imprison, or kill the individual or individuals for not going to an arbitrator to face the plaintiff. Two, the DRO could act as private security/security guards.  In which case they could use any force necessary to prevent damages or theft from happening to the contracted party's property; however, unlike Police this does not extend to after the fact. 

Defense is repelling an attack, not attacking someone at a later time and/or place from the incident in which force was initiated against you.  After the initial engagement is over, any further physical action on your part against those who attacked you, previously, is considered an attack or initiation of force/violence.  If an individual -or DRO- has the right/authority to re-engage a party while stating that it is just defense for the initial incident then what is stopping someone from waiting months, years or decades later?  A delayed action such as described is nothing other than retribution or revenge; this would be unacceptable in a moral/ethical society with or without a government.

There is a difference between someone killing an individual who is trying to harm them, and the very same individual being harmed and then at a later date going out and killing the individual(s) who harmed them; the first action is acceptable, the second isn't.

We can look at current Civil laws to see -an approximation- of what legal action -if any- would look like in an anarchist area.


If an individual is killed while trying to assault another individual, then the individual who did the killing is justified and the family of the slain individual is unable to sue the individual who killed the aggressor; however, if the first party was assaulted and then at a later date, the first party, killed the second party -the original aggressor- then the first party would be able to be sued by the family of the second party.

DRO's are not Police and therefore they can either prevent aggression or they can identify who or what violated the rights of their client, but if they are only detecting then there is very little they could legally do with that information but to let their client know and maybe let their other clients know or maybe advertise the situation, or just let other DRO's know about the particular individual who violated the rights of the DRO's client.
6  General Category / General Discussion / What happened here? Where did everybody go? on: October 07, 2014, 10:31:29 AM
I haven't logged in for several months, however, I have been frequently lurking; I've noticed that since late last year most of the people, who were the core of members here, have disappeared.  I'm just wondering what happened to everybody.
7  Videos / Other Videos / Re: Pretty cool homesteading video on: May 02, 2014, 08:01:31 PM
I think that guy is a vegetarian, and therefore he doesn't need the meat. 

Perhaps, but then he still needs the veggies.  Even they eat rice, beans, wheat, corn or some alternative to the staple diet.  He doesn't actually do the labor for planting those crops.  He isn't really food independent, which means unless you want to more or less abuse ignorance that his system isn't easily repeatable.  That's all I was getting at. 

How it works: Between 6 feet and lower depending on the location of the property, the earth stays about 70 to 80 degrees all year round.  This temperature differential is used to heat the water or air, and then the air or water is used to heat the local environment.

I believe the natural constant temperature is about 45 F, at 20 feet deep.  Above that it varies with the season/location.  Deserts are good at it as they have very spiky temperature swings and the thermal mass can hold over for the next day.  Usually the geothermal systems are used for preheating or road thawing, not full heating.  Places that deep freeze still benefit of course, but to not require secondary heating, they need either something like passive annual heat storage, or natural geothermal activity such as hot springs. 

One could just check youtube: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=geothermal+home+heating
There is plenty of info there.
8  Videos / Other Videos / Re: Pretty cool homesteading video on: May 02, 2014, 07:30:54 PM

I'm sure there are tons of videos like this out on the web.

I thought this was pretty cool and would like to get involved in these sorts of things. Unfortunately, I am a total noob. I'm hoping that as the FSP grows there will be more people that have these skills and can share them with others. I'm not interested in homesteading because of climate change. I'm eager to do it because I love the idea of food and heat independence. Anywho, I could go on and on but maybe I'll save my experiences and thoughts for a blog post in the future.

I think that guy is a vegetarian, and therefore he doesn't need the meat.  If you want something like that it is beneficial to have at least one female goat, some chickens, and for lean red meat rabbits are great.  Duck are also useful, however, I've never eaten a duck egg, and the ducks which I've eaten are very greasy/fatty.  I'm not sure if the fat can be used like lard or maybe for candles or such.

As far as heating, while he uses a compost pile to heat his green house, there is a better way if one is starting from scratch.  Some people call it geothermal, others complain saying that it is not the proper term; but either way it uses the earth to heat either air or water to heat a building. 

How it works: Between 6 feet and lower depending on the location of the property, the earth stays about 70 to 80 degrees all year round.  This temperature differential is used to heat the water or air, and then the air or water is used to heat the local environment.

Just some thoughts for consideration for those who may want to try to do something like homesteading/permaculture/survival retreat.
9  General Category / Bitcoin / Re: A REAL Bitcoin Debit Card on: April 24, 2014, 07:48:05 PM
If this turns out to be real and not just a mirage, this is very big news.

For the longest time I've wanted a debit card that carries a BALANCE of bitcoins and only switches to the local currency at POS.

Other cards require you to send them BTC, and then they cash it out and your balance is in dollars. Fuck that. That's not what I want. I want my balance to always remain in BTC. Sort of like when you take a card to Europe. Your balance is still in dollars and only at the POS does the required amount of dollars get debited from your card to make the purchase. No balance in Euros lugging around on your card.

What this means is that we'll essentially be able to pay for anything we want in the western world using bitcoins, never having to hold a fiat balance. This is very big news. I can't wait to get one, if it's the real deal, that is.

Edit: Whoops, here's the link:

Have you stopped trying to END THE FED?  This card states
After a customer makes a payment using Bitcoin, the merchant will receive the funds in their local currency.
meaning that the retailer is not accepting Bitcoin but is accepting FRNs/Pounds/Euros/Yen/etc, so how is this going to END THE FED or central banking, and why would anybody even bother to waste their time getting Bitcoin in the first place?

Also, as the Wall-street Financial industry starts dumping hundreds of millions into Bitcoin, and then starts High-frequency trading of it(Bitcoin), would it really be wise for a Bitcoin investor to spend the Bitcoin on things which one could obviously use local currency for -which they(the individual) are most certainly being paid in by their employer?
10  General Category / Bitcoin / Re: GODDAMNIT BITCOIN. STAHP. on: April 15, 2014, 10:49:07 AM
Well, I'm still an optimist. I've said since the beginning that Bitcoin is going to have all sorts of hurdles and speedbumps to traverse until it reaches ubiquity. And that the early AND true believer will be greatly rewarded.

Times like these suck, but to be honest, if I lost faith in Bitcoin then I'd be forced to throw in the towel on freedom, too. Because without Bitcoin I wouldn't have any hope in a free and prosperous future for humanity.

Aaaaaand its on the mend.  I knew I probably shouldn't have gotten too bent out of shape, but it was REALLY pushing low for awhile.  I'm guessing its going to be fine in the long run.

I suppose it matters what your definition of "fine" is.  If you are only concerned with Bitcoin's relative value to the US Dollar than it will be ok for a while now that Wall Street is going to be dumping hundreds of millions of dollars into Regulated Funds.  However, if by "fine" you meant that Bitcoin would END THE FED as was the supposed original purposes, then the very fact that Wall Street is dumping hundreds of millions of dollars into Regulated Funds will place the Regulated Funds as the place to invest money and therefore destroy all but limited trade outside of the system; meaning only person to person transactions could ever be free. All companies who would decide to truly accept Bitcoins will be regulated ie controlled by governments, and therefore the Bitcoin economy will be ended. Also, don't forget that once High-Frequency Trading starts, the ability for Bitcoin or other virtual currencies -which are traded in this manner- to be used as currency will be severely diminished, due to the relative value changing rapidly.

Also, companies like Overstock are not actually accepting Bitcoin, so this already hampers Bitcoin's ability to END THE FED, because Overstock receives US Dollars, therefore keeping the FED right where it is.

There are two different Bitcoin proponents: 1) Who wants the relative value of Bitcoin -in comparison to the US dollar- to increase, and 2) Those who want Bitcoin to END THE FED, and central banking in general.  Most early adopters were of the second type, however, most have become of the first type as governments, bankers, and businesses have started to limit the ability -for Bitcoin and other virtual currencies- to end central banking via regulation, taxation, and intimidation.

So it depends on what your actual goals of Bitcoin are, to be able to determine if Bitcoin will be "fine."  If you wanted Bitcoin to be able to END THE FED and central banking, then it is quite clear that Bitcoin is not nor will not be "fine."
11  General Category / Bitcoin / Re: GODDAMNIT BITCOIN. STAHP. on: April 10, 2014, 06:53:09 PM
I don't think BitCoin is going to be what most individual people want it to be, because Wall Street is buying into it big time with Regulated Funds, like Second Market, Bitcoin Investment Trust, and Pantera Capital each with million upon millions of dollars to be dumped into Bitcoin.  While this should raise the US Dollar value of Bitcoin, however, the likely-hood that it will END THE FED like everybody wants it to becomes highly unlikely. 

High-Frequency Trading between different AltCoins will make using AltCoins for currency very unlikely.  The fact that these funds will just cash out, and sell their AltCoins so they could later buy them back cheaper and sell them high -due to the limited supply of BitCoins and LiteCoins and the amount of traders, this process will happen over and over again- will keep the price point of entry relatively high; and since most early adopters where so giddy to just spend BitCoin at Overstock and such, the only people really going to make money off of this will be the Bankers, the Creator(s), and those who were patient and held.

12  General Category / Lounge / Re: House of Cards on: March 30, 2014, 09:47:51 AM
Season 3 maybe delayed.  In a move similar to that of Frank Underwood, Netflix is demanding Tax subsidies to continue filming in Maryland.  Maryland in a move also similar to that of Frank Underwood is now threatening to seize the assets of House Of Cards.

Here is just one of many articles about the situation. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-delegates-threaten-to-seize-house-of-cards-property-if-filming-leaves-the-state/2014/03/27/0715a0ca-b605-11e3-8cb6-284052554d74_story.html

13  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Bitcoin fluctuations on: December 13, 2013, 01:28:21 PM
I could say the same about your posts, on many threads, including this one.  By the way, that response of yours is a perfect example of what I was talking about.  How is that for substantiated?  

Meaningless; and just like your previous post, lacking substantiation.

You don't even understand the concept I presented in my first post.  haha

I don't think you understand reading very well.  Anything I have said in this post or others can bee searched throughout the internet and text to prove historically, what I've said is very accurate and follows logical conclusions.  However, your first post here doesn't give anything to be searched other than your opinion -yes we can search to see if your opinion has stayed the same; however, I'm sorry to tell you but your opinion doesn't really count for much.  Since you don't actually make a claim about what I've said specifically, then it can be reasoned that you don't actually have a real argument, but you are being emotional over my disregard for BitCoin.  People can backup my claims by researching the history of money, currency and other such topics.  No I will not do your work for you.  If you want to be lazy then that is on you, and you will stay hopelessly oblivious.

It wasn't emotion about bitcoin that caused my initial post.  It was listening to you say the same stuff over and over and not understand anything I say.  My first post said that you would do exactly what you are currently doing.  Every post you make against me, when I haven't even said anything about this topic is making my point.  I said talking to you is like smashing my head against a brick wall.  I get nowhere and have nothing to show for talking to you than a headache.  My point is proven.  Thank you, for nothing. 

You do realize, that by your original post here and by this clarification, your actions therefore create a contradiction between your words and your actions; since you said that you didn't want to engage in a back and forth with me, and yet you've done just that.

I wouldn't want to speculate as to what one should infer that to say about you; however, I just wanted to let you know that you established a contradiction between your words and your actions.

You highlighted an extended power outage.  Do you believe that to be likely?  Do you believe those suggested in the sentence, called preppers, wouldn't be prepared for such a thing?  Do you think they would knock out power to the country just to temporarily shut down local access to a global digital protocol?  Do you think the private power companies are going to stop wanting to sell power to make money?

Even if Preppers did have their house prepared for extended power outages, that still wouldn't necessarily suggest that there will be an internet nor power outside of their home.  The government wouldn't have to knock out power -they could if they wanted to though- if the dollar collapses then most people including power plant workers/lineman and others wouldn't be going to work; at least not all of them anyway.  Thereby, creating power outage problems.  Also, if transformers and other such supplies are required, then the companies which make those things -which are in South East Asia- would need to accept BitCoin -if their country allowed it.  Not to mention that the companies which are to ship and transport the equipment would also have to accept BitCoin.  If you think that the power companies keep many replacement parts for their system, then you haven't been paying attention to Senate hears concerning the fragile nature of our power distribution system, which have been taking place nearly every year since the mid 1990's.  Sure the poser companies keep many line transformers an some of the smaller but still large transformer on hand; but they do not stock the larger transformers, and some of the really big transformers are on a 3 year waiting list and take nearly 1 year just to make.

Also, the insurance of Nuclear Power plants would disappear due to the Federal Government being the insurer.  The Federal Government also is a final backer of regular power plants in case of large scale problems, to prevent the insurance companies from going out of business.  Just like how when there is a large scale storm, the Federal government pays for everything and the actual insurance companies are not responsible to pay for their policies.

You could also look to how the power distribution services were affected during collapses, like the USSR, Argentina, Zimbabwe and several others.  You will notice that the only sure supply of electricity would be for government.  However, most of the US government facilities have their own power generation plants nearby specifically for this purpose.

As history can attest, if there is an economic collapse, then electric power for the general population is not guaranteed, and certainly not reliable; certainly not reliable enough to solely rely on a digital currency as a means of transacting.  Hell, there are some places in the US which are currently without power for over a week, which still may be out of power for another week or two, just because of the most recent snow storm.  Yeah a digital currency would be doing those folks just grande; it's bad enough that most of them probably do not have cash on hand, however, if there was no such thing as cash then it would be even worse.
14  Videos / Other Videos / Re: Passports and Penises on: December 13, 2013, 12:59:30 PM

You will not necessarily be living a life without income tax.  I don't know who told you that, but they are lying to you.  In most instances -if you just move out of the US- you will be paying the local income tax as well as an income tax to the US.  Even if you manage to get the State Department to grant your citizenship denouncement, you are still liable to pay US income tax for 10 years.  The United States is the only country in the world which taxes the wages of citizens no matter what country they live and work in, as well as the only country which requires its former citizens to pay taxes for 10 years after they have denounced their citizenship and left the country.
15  General Category / Bitcoin / BitCoin Supporters NEEDED on: December 13, 2013, 12:25:00 PM
 While I'm am not a BitCoin supporter myself, I thought that those of you who are should be made aware of this situation, and my thought on it.

The US Government shut down Mike Caldwell from making Casascius bitcoins “They considered my activity to be money transmitting,” said Caldwell.

The DOJ and the Dept of Treasury are making up rules as they go along.  If there isn't a good enough defense in Court than these 'laws' or rules will stand and remove any possible alt currency from dethroning the FED and FRNs.

Whether we support BitCoin or not, we should all support the fight against the DOJ and Treasury in being able to make up these rules which will hamper all of us for the rest of our lives or until a Civil War occurs and ends government.

If the libertarian/AnCap/Voluntaryist community cannot intervene in this for the sole purpose of trying to get a favorable court ruling to set the standard of alt currency law, then it is a very sad day.

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