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Title: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: Anarcho/Infowarrior on December 06, 2011, 11:12:20 PM
http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-government-activating-fema-camps-across-u-s/

 I counted the word "camp" at least three times in that article. This is it, folks. Between REX 84, 645, and the collapse of this country, we are ready to go live with this. The question, of course, is what will precipitate it?


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on December 07, 2011, 06:24:07 PM
True or false?


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: Anarcho/Infowarrior on December 07, 2011, 07:06:18 PM
^What's true or false? The camps or the document?


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on December 09, 2011, 12:00:30 AM
^What's true or false? The camps or the document?
True or false is the question I always end up not being able to answer when I read Alex Jones content. Lots of anonymous sources. Lots of ad revenue brought in with head turning article titles. Kind of like zero hedge.


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: David Giessel on December 09, 2011, 12:21:07 AM
I have a different question regarding Alex Jones "information."

"So what?" - How does this change what you would do in your life? Is it useful for you as an individual preparing for the future, or is it just paralyzing fear?

I found no utility in Alex Jones and stopped listening to or reading anything associated with him two years ago. What I've been able to do with a calmer state of mind and more time on my hands has been much more useful than finding out about the many ways I will be enslaved and killed "any day now."


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: Seth King on December 09, 2011, 01:03:53 AM
I have a different question regarding Alex Jones "information."

"So what?" - How does this change what you would do in your life? Is it useful for you as an individual preparing for the future, or is it just paralyzing fear?

I found no utility in Alex Jones and stopped listening to or reading anything associated with him two years ago. What I've been able to do with a calmer state of mind and more time on my hands has been much more useful than finding out about the many ways I will be enslaved and killed "any day now."

Like many things, I'm ambivalent towards Alex Jones. I will say this, though, it never hurts to know what your enemy is up to. Whether or not Alex Jones is accurately informing us of the actions of the United States Federal Government is debatable.


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on December 09, 2011, 01:56:01 AM
We can tell that the original poster got to anarchism via Alex Jones, based on his screen name. So it's not all bad. He makes people doubt government, which is good. But he is anti free trade since it's "globalist." Unfortunately he takes a little bit of credibility away from libertarianism when he accuses some bankers of wanting to breed a new immortal superhuman race and kill off 90% of the population, enslaving the rest.... So...yeah. Association with the tinfoil hat club isn't good, in my opinion. Of course, if I get shipped off to a FEMA camp in the next week then all the Alex Jones fans I meet there will be screaming "I told you so."


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: Seth King on December 09, 2011, 08:32:07 AM
We can tell that the original poster got to anarchism via Alex Jones, based on his screen name. So it's not all bad. He makes people doubt government, which is good. But he is anti free trade since it's "globalist." Unfortunately he takes a little bit of credibility away from libertarianism when he accuses some bankers of wanting to breed a new immortal superhuman race and kill off 90% of the population, enslaving the rest.... So...yeah. Association with the tinfoil hat club isn't good, in my opinion. Of course, if I get shipped off to a FEMA camp in the next week then all the Alex Jones fans I meet there will be screaming "I told you so."

Ha! A taste of our own medicine!


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: Anarcho/Infowarrior on December 09, 2011, 02:22:11 PM
"We can tell that the original poster got to anarchism via Alex Jones, based on his screen name. So it's not all bad."

 That's not 100% true, dude. Jones was one of the individuals that led me on the path to anarchy. There are many others that need to be named--Paul, Rothbard, Spooner, etc. The reason I include "Infowarrior" in my name is because I identify as one. Those that subscribe to Jones and his movement identify as such as well. I don't know how many anarchists exist in the Infowarrior movement. Most of them are limited government style libertarians or Ron Paul Republicans, so to label me part of a minority would be the most accurate course of action to take.

 Now, I would like to point out that those of you that are doubting the existence of the camps simply because Alex is putting them out there are making a rave mistake. Jones wasn't the one that discovered the camps or put theory out there that they exist within the geographic landscape of this country. He did nothing more than study the documents and history that can lead anyone to them when they take the time to pay attention. If you've bothered to study REX 84, the civilization labor force documentation or even COG (short for continuity of government), you don't to parallel yourself to Jones in order to see that the evidence for their very existence is solid. 

 Hell, he's a fun fact for all of you: before Japanese Americans were thrown into intermittent style camps after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, anyone that tried to point out there existence was labeled a cook by the government as well, so please make sure to take that into direct consideration.


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: David Giessel on December 09, 2011, 05:28:38 PM
No, the question was (and still is):

So what?


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: Anarcho/Infowarrior on December 09, 2011, 05:52:08 PM
So what is the question, huh? Well, I myself don't have an answer. Trying to figure out the answer to something of this magnitude is not easy. Hell, I've lost sleep a few times thinking about this, so that really doesn't help one's state of mind when trying to juggle answers in your brain.

"I'm ambivalent towards Alex Jones"

 That's odd. Last I read, Seth, you had nothing but positive things to say about Alex. Did something change?


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on December 09, 2011, 07:38:53 PM
http://www.hulu.com/watch/308227/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-wed-dec-7-2011


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: Anarcho/Infowarrior on December 09, 2011, 08:37:33 PM
^Going to have to watch that later. The sound isn't working on the comp that I'm using. >:(


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: David Giessel on December 09, 2011, 10:31:24 PM
So what is the question, huh? Well, I myself don't have an answer. Trying to figure out the answer to something of this magnitude is not easy. Hell, I've lost sleep a few times thinking about this, so that really doesn't help one's state of mind when trying to juggle answers in your brain.

Losing sleep over something you can't control impairs your ability to work towards a positive goal. This is why I stopped listening to Alex Jones. If you direct all your energy towards an abyss, it is all wasted. There are other things you can do that have a real tangible impact in your own life and the lives of people you know. The decision of how to direct your energy is yours and yours alone tho.


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: Anarcho/Infowarrior on December 09, 2011, 10:43:54 PM
^Are you a Buddhist, David? You have the energy of one. ;D


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: Seth King on December 09, 2011, 11:46:54 PM
That's odd. Last I read, Seth, you had nothing but positive things to say about Alex. Did something change?

I have positive things to say about a lot of people. I try to keep the negative at bay. I'm not really down on Alex Jones. It's just that he's not an anarcho-capitalist... yet. Also, I'm just not that interested in conspiracy. I grew up on that stuff in the John Birch Society when I was really young into early adulthood.

The reason I'm not into conspiracy is because what is right in front of our eyes is bad enough. The wars on drugs, terror, etc. are so incredibly evil and right out there in the open. The same goes for the welfare state. If people can't grasp how bad these things are I'm not sure if they're really going to care if building 7 was brought down by controlled demolition or not. I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: Anarcho/Infowarrior on December 10, 2011, 01:32:49 AM
 I've thought about this for most of the day, and Dave is right: worrying about something that I have zero control over is useless. As the Buddha said, one must learn to live in the now. To waste your time on what could have been and what will be is suffering within its own right. Only positive thinking can bring change to life.


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: Seth King on December 10, 2011, 02:51:08 PM
Another way to cope with the world is view things in a positive light, even though they are negative.

Here's how I do it. Let's say the government starts marching millions of people off into the death camps. Obviously, that's a bummer. But then when I think about it I really only feel sorry for the libertarian activists who get killed by the state. Hear me out on this one.

If the person getting shipped off to the death camp was a statist, they're really only getting killed by their own system. Furthermore, the libertarians, while there will be some statistically speaking, aren't as likely to allow themselves to be shipped off in a train to a death camp. Those are the people who will have been cognizant enough beforehand to fight back.

Think about it. If the government passed a law tomorrow that said everybody had to report to the train station to be shipped off somewhere I'll bet there would be A LOT of people who would obey that order. If they do obey that order how much sympathy should we really have for them? I know it sounds cold, but I don't have an infinite well of pity for fools.


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on December 10, 2011, 07:47:55 PM
I understand what you mean Seth. It's worshiping the guillotine that will behead you. Kissing the sword that disembowels you. It's hard to pity someone who salutes the flag and gets burned by the state.

(In Soviet America, flag burns you!!!)

But I think to not sympathize at all with them is to claim they "had it coming" (<---this is probably disputable). I don't really think this way. Most people are just drones who had their brains sucked out of their heads in their youth, through no fault of their own. So I still have to sympathize with them for being victims of the state...but I do understand Seth's point. It's frustrating to watch people unintentionally self-destruct, and take the more aware people down with them.


Title: Re: Leaked government document shows FEMA camps are ready for operation
Post by: bastiat on December 11, 2011, 10:30:27 PM
We need to remove the belief in good government and government atrocities can help do that;  I do realize that the government has engaged in genocide and mass detentions before, but those are a long time ago and done by white males and they had some justification that I doubt these would have if they are put in use.