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Title: The Judge Got Murdered
Post by: Seth King on October 28, 2011, 12:06:18 PM
I just finished watching The Judge get interviewed on the Daily Show and I have got to tell you, it was really hard to watch. He got totally annihilated and made an ass out of himself, and couldn't argue his points worth shit. He's not an AnCap yet, and as he kept debating with Jon Stewart all I could think to myself is that I could demolish Jon if I were in The Judge's seat. The anarcho-capitalist stance is so much easier to debate than the minarchist stance it's not even funny.

Watch the horror, if you dare.

You'll have to skip ahead to the interview.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-october-27-2011-andrew-napolitano


Title: Re: The Judge Got Murdered
Post by: Seth King on October 28, 2011, 12:09:34 PM
And here's something that I find TOTALLY BAFFLING. Read the comments about this interview at the Daily Paul. They thought the Judge did GREAT! Are you kidding me?!  ??? ??? ???

http://www.dailypaul.com/184605/the-judge-will-be-on-the-daily-show-this-thursday


Title: Re: The Judge Got Murdered
Post by: Seth King on October 28, 2011, 12:13:14 PM
Seriously, I think The Judge set back libertarianism by about ten years last night.  :-[


Title: Re: The Judge Got Murdered
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on October 28, 2011, 02:23:25 PM
I started watching and had to stop. I just...couldn't.


Title: Re: The Judge Got Murdered
Post by: Seth King on October 28, 2011, 02:40:25 PM
I started watching and had to stop. I just...couldn't.

It gets worse. Oh, does it get worse.


Title: Re: The Judge Got Murdered
Post by: nhwulf on October 28, 2011, 11:26:59 PM
Ouch. Arguing for, and against the state at the same time. It made me squirm.


Title: Re: The Judge Got Murdered
Post by: David Giessel on October 29, 2011, 03:37:01 AM
This is the unique opportunity that the belief in Anarchism gives us: the opportunity to be our own advocates.

There can be no central figure or "movement leader" for this ideology because advocacy of it in its pure form makes you politically irrelevant (because you're calling for an end to politics itself). At the same time, the "half pregnant" position of minarchism makes the contradiction between statism and liberty more clear than any other position.

This is an opportunity in disguise. When someone says, "Libertarians are fools, I saw The Judge get dismantled by Jon Stewart." just ask them, "Well what about you and me? Does the Judge's confused position legitimize or de-legitimize the state?" Then you have a discussion one on one instead of a proxy discussion about how poorly someone else articulated "libertarianism" or "liberty" or whatever other ambiguous label people use.

This is also our burden, because we can never have a "go to guy" who does our thinking for us. We can't try to use the division of labor philosophically as political movements do. Our personal philosophy has to be tight (this forum is a huge resource for refining it). If any of us ever kick the can philosophically and say "basically I just believe what so-and-so says" he'll slip up (as we all do) and de-legitimize us as individuals (and anarchism as a philosophy).

Distributed knowledge is far harder to contain.
Distributed mistakes cause far less damage.
Distributed advocacy makes the philosophy real to those we know in person.

Interesting and somewhat pertinent video of Milton Friedman cutting a discussion down to principle (something Napolitano did a miserable job of because he was too busy selling out):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0dmRJ0oWg


Title: Re: The Judge Got Murdered
Post by: Seth King on October 29, 2011, 04:14:42 PM
Milton Friedman, of course, having serious flaws in his philosophy, still made a decent case there.

Unfortunately, the kid had no clue what Friedman was talking about and totally missed the point.


Title: Re: The Judge Got Murdered
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on October 31, 2011, 11:12:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hhSsIpjtzY


Title: Re: The Judge Got Murdered
Post by: David Giessel on November 01, 2011, 01:10:00 PM
Haha. So effortless.


Title: Re: The Judge Got Murdered
Post by: Script on November 01, 2011, 11:22:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hhSsIpjtzY

18:40  Hahahahahaha...I've been using this line for a bit, since I started studying the 19th century robber barons.  Too bad I didn't get on youtube and say it first.  :D   Well done, Stefan, well done.