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Title: Is it possible to be An-Cap but hate Capitalism?
Post by: Tear-Down-the-Wall on December 01, 2013, 04:55:28 AM
Allow me to explain myself. I don't hate Capitalism just some of the affects of it.

I was at Best Buy Tuesday and in front of the store there were already tents set up for the Special Olympics of Capitalism AKA Black Friday. One was a family that had been there since Monday. I'm asking what parents force their kids to live in a tent for a week where it's below freezing to buy a TV?

Thanksgiving use to be a day you spent with your family. Now? Thanksgiving is nothing but a commercialized holiday event. Last year stores started their sales on Thanksgiving. I thought surely people will put a stop to this and say no. Was the best Black Friday many stores had so they pushed it back even more. Some are saying in a few years the sales could start Thanksgiving morning. Is this what we've become? We're ignoring family to save a few dollars?

What about the people who pepper spray others so they can grab something before them?

If I'm not mistaken several people, including children, die during Black Friday.

I also hate how Google and Facebook try to find out everything about me so they can sell it to flash an ad in my face.

I'm still an An-Cap, find it to be the best philosophy and would like to see a society formed from it. I guess I'm just worried this society could spawn more of this type of zombie consumerism behavior.


Title: Re: Is it possible to be An-Cap but hate Capitalism?
Post by: Syock on December 01, 2013, 08:39:28 AM
We do not have capitalism.  We have a mixed economy, and all the perverse effects of it.  


Title: Re: Is it possible to be An-Cap but hate Capitalism?
Post by: Disengage on December 01, 2013, 10:48:14 AM
No, I don't think it's possible.   But you probably haven't SEEN capitalism, either... not on a major scale.

But aside from that, I think what you've taken a dislike to is certain aspects of human behavior.    Maybe you're a misanthropist.   Welcome to the club.


Title: Re: Is it possible to be An-Cap but hate Capitalism?
Post by: MAM on December 01, 2013, 04:22:02 PM
Black Friday is a result of this culture. Thanks giving is a State holiday. Personally I don't celebrate it.


Title: Re: Is it possible to be An-Cap but hate Capitalism?
Post by: SinCityVoluntaryist on December 01, 2013, 06:33:44 PM
 I've never been a fan of Black Friday. I went to a few stores this year, but I didn't camp out. I spent Thanksgiving with my family and then went to a store of two. I understand that Black Friday can be...chaotic. I've seen the event bring out the worst that humanity has to offer others. However, a few points that I would like to make. 1) The media and social critics who like to lambast Black Friday always over hype the fights that occur. They like to broadcast the same amount of chaos over and over again to make a point, while ignoring the fact that they're generally isolated events that don't occur on a nationwide basis. 2) A majority of the fights that occur generally happen in Wal-Mart. Being that Wal-Mart always attracts the lowest of the low in our society (i.e. welfare whores), you can't be surprised that such violence is willing to break out. Those who think they have an entitlement to everything will do everything in their power to get what they want.


Title: Re: Is it possible to be An-Cap but hate Capitalism?
Post by: David Giessel on December 03, 2013, 01:02:43 AM
To be truly an-cap you would have to be very ok with the possibility that things you detest could emerge from the decision making forum known as "the market".

In much the same way Mencken said that voting was "a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." the hardcore an-cap would need to be at peace with the fact that teletubbies, furbies, and Black Friday may be what people actually want in the absence of coercion. People might even want coercion in the absence of coercion.

The non-ideological an-cap would almost need to be Buddhist in their acceptance of human nature. The ideological an-cap would almost be trying to create the "ideal capitalist man".

Being of the belief that so-called "social norms" are exercised based on belief in magic or because of a lack of ability for a large number of people to do any original thinking ... and therefore that these norms may serve no useful purpose (and only happen to accidentally serve what you would consider beneficial purposes) is a bit of a different thing from simply being anti-state and pro-market. If you learn to turn it into a game where you regularly demolish ideological houses of cards of all types (beyond just political), it can be endlessly entertaining instead of disappointing or frustrating.

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Title: Re: Is it possible to be An-Cap but hate Capitalism?
Post by: Victor on December 03, 2013, 07:06:28 PM
I think one could, (and may have to), try to prevent violence like this through other means besides creating a free market. I don't think of a free market as a panacea, having one won't "cure all social ills", but I don't think having one in and of itself would cause violence like this either. I think we'd have to look for other causes.