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Title: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: SinCityVoluntaryist on September 29, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/currency/2013/09/dark-wallet-bitcoin.html?utm_source=www&utm_medium=g+&utm_campaign=20130924&mobify=0

 Called Dark Wallet, the wallet will act as a plugin that would allow people to handle their Bitcoins directly from their browsers. It will be compatible with Windows, OSX and Linux. A launch date is set to hit early next year.


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: magentawave on October 09, 2013, 09:33:51 PM
Very cool and I heard the Mcafee guy is coming back to the US to develop a thingee that will enable you to anonymize internet on your computer or smart phone. Sounds too good to be true but I hope it isn't.


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: Syock on October 10, 2013, 07:07:21 AM
Is it just me, or does integrating into a browser seem like a vulnerability waiting to happen?


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: RJ Miller on October 10, 2013, 09:35:57 PM
Is it just me, or does integrating into a browser seem like a vulnerability waiting to happen?

Web apps tend to be less secure only because (a) they are more constantly exposed to a potentially hostile environment, and (b) web apps tend to be rushed out the door more quickly compared to bigger software projects.

The fact that Wilson and others are now building on an already well-tested protocol and simply facilitating it's use gives reason to be optimistic.

Cody has been planning this for over a year now, and he continues to get help when needed. The work he's done with Defense Distributed has already changed the world, and I truly think this will do the same to some degree.


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: Syock on October 10, 2013, 10:36:39 PM
The work he's done with Defense Distributed has already changed the world, and I truly think this will do the same to some degree.

I disagree, but ok. 


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: RJ Miller on October 11, 2013, 01:00:40 AM
The work he's done with Defense Distributed has already changed the world, and I truly think this will do the same to some degree.

I disagree, but ok. 

About DefDist, Dark Wallet, or both?


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: Syock on October 11, 2013, 11:10:24 AM
Both.


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: SinCityVoluntaryist on October 12, 2013, 09:31:34 PM
There's no doubt that Cody's work with Def Dist. has caused a new paradigm to emerge. However, I wouldn't say it's changed the world...yet. The world will be changed when every person on earth has a 3D printer and using his files.


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: Syock on October 13, 2013, 12:53:56 AM
There's no doubt that Cody's work with Def Dist. has caused a new paradigm to emerge. However, I wouldn't say it's changed the world...yet. The world will be changed when every person on earth has a 3D printer and using his files.

That's the thing.  A gun is not a terribly complex item unless you go out of your way to make it so.  The skills, equipment and materials are widespread.  People can already make them in their basements.  

Using the 3D printer is just trading one skill for another, one material for another, and some equipment for another. 


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: RJ Miller on October 13, 2013, 11:01:36 PM
Disagree wholeheartedly with you two; drawing world attention to the fact that a physical object such as a gun can now be distributed and made at home with the right device has totally upended the world already:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/24/3D-Guns-Targeted-By-Homeland-Security

The frank admission by our own government that this can't be stopped sure is a victory. I should note though that claims about "undetectability" are false: http://fosscad.org/Basic_Case_Against_New_UFAs.pdf


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: Syock on October 14, 2013, 01:04:54 PM
Disagree wholeheartedly with you two; drawing world attention to the fact that a physical object such as a gun can now be distributed and made at home with the right device has totally upended the world already:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/24/3D-Guns-Targeted-By-Homeland-Security

The frank admission by our own government that this can't be stopped sure is a victory. I should note though that claims about "undetectability" are false: http://fosscad.org/Basic_Case_Against_New_UFAs.pdf

Since when has our government said anything worth listening to?  The thought that a metal gun can't be distributed or produced outside their controlled system is egotistical of them and proven false daily. 


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: RJ Miller on October 14, 2013, 08:25:38 PM
Since when has our government said anything worth listening to?
 

Are you kidding me? They confessed outright that they can't do anything to stop this. What more do you need?

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The thought that a metal gun can't be distributed or produced outside their controlled system is egotistical of them and proven false daily. 

Right, and that's totally well within reach of people with no technical skills and aren't willing to face a steep learning curve.



Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: Syock on October 14, 2013, 08:39:08 PM
Since when has our government said anything worth listening to?
 

Are you kidding me? They confessed outright that they can't do anything to stop this. What more do you need?


I think you missed my point.  They admit this one, but claim to be able to control the other one.  They can't even stop people from making weapons or getting drugs in prison.    



The thought that a metal gun can't be distributed or produced outside their controlled system is egotistical of them and proven false daily.  

Right, and that's totally well within reach of people with no technical skills and aren't willing to face a steep learning curve.

Then buy one from someone that has one.  They are a lot cheaper than a 3D printer.


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: magentawave on October 14, 2013, 11:20:27 PM
Syock and RJ Miller - Sorry if this seems like nitpicking but since this is an anarchist forum, I'm curious as to why both of you still use the collectivist and nationalist term "our government" when referring to the US empire? Is it because you both work for those bastards?


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: RJ Miller on October 15, 2013, 07:06:31 AM
I think you missed my point.  They admit this one, but claim to be able to control the other one.  They can't even stop people from making weapons or getting drugs in prison.   

I think you missed my point. They can control ordinary firearms to some degree, though not perfectly. And nowhere near as effectively as printed firearms.

I suppose it all boils down to whether you think expedient manufacture and distribution is of any importance whatsoever.

Then buy one from someone that has one.
They are a lot cheaper than a 3D printer.

Which I'm sure is much easier than a web search if you don't know anyone in your area who has one. Also keep in mind that it's not just the US we need to worry about here.

They are a lot cheaper than a 3D printer.

Even if they were, they wouldn't be able to produce more en masse.

Syock and RJ Miller - Sorry if this seems like nitpicking but since this is an anarchist forum, I'm curious as to why both of you still use the collectivist and nationalist term "our government" when referring to the US empire? Is it because you both work for those bastards?

It's not nitpicking, it's being a douche over everyday language.


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: Syock on October 15, 2013, 07:58:57 AM
I think you missed my point. They can control ordinary firearms to some degree, though not perfectly. And nowhere near as effectively as printed firearms.

There is limited control because there is a benefit to some people to allow limited control.  If they were not legal, they would all just move like drugs or alcohol during prohibition.  It is an illusion of control that only exists because it makes life easier for a lot of people than going the underground route.

I suppose it all boils down to whether you think expedient manufacture and distribution is of any importance whatsoever.

For some reason you believe it is harder to move a normal weapon than to move 3D printers and printed weapons.  There is no reason for that to be true.

Even if they were, they wouldn't be able to produce more en masse.

Why not?  There have been a variety of stamped metal designs in the past.  They are quite simple and quick to create.  


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: magentawave on October 15, 2013, 02:31:54 PM
Sorry, but I'm not trying to be a douche. Its just something I want to understand. Thats all, I swear. I don't want to hijack this thread so if you want to delve into this further then please leave your thoughts at the thread I just started here which specifically asks if and why people use the terms "WE" and "OUR" when describing criminal acts a government conducts: https://dailyanarchist.com/forum/index.php/topic,2772.0.html

Syock and RJ Miller - Sorry if this seems like nitpicking but since this is an anarchist forum, I'm curious as to why both of you still use the collectivist and nationalist term "our government" when referring to the US empire? Is it because you both work for those bastards?

It's not nitpicking, it's being a douche over everyday language.
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Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: RJ Miller on October 16, 2013, 12:22:30 AM
For some reason you believe it is harder to move a normal weapon than to move 3D printers and printed weapons.  There is no reason for that to be true.

For some reason you believe it is hard to send and receive a CAD file than to move an actual firearm around.

And yes, I think moving an actual 3D printer around is far less conspicuous.

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Why not?  There have been a variety of stamped metal designs in the past.  They are quite simple and quick to create.  

Give me some examples and explain why they are simpler to pull off without anything that relies on 3D printing.


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: Syock on October 16, 2013, 09:12:12 AM
For some reason you believe it is hard to send and receive a CAD file than to move an actual firearm around.

For some reason you keep trying to compare apples to oranges.  If all you want are plans, they are out there.  When it comes to moving an actual firearm, plastic or not, it is the same.  

Give me some examples and explain why they are simpler to pull off without anything that relies on 3D printing.

Cheap, common tools, rather than a 3D printer.  People have been making guns for a very long time.  The tech is simple.  It isn't some miraculous accomplishment to make a weapon.  

I think you have lost sight of this discussion and my initial objection to your original claim.  


Title: Re: Cody Wilson now working on an easy-to-use Bitcoin wallet
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on November 16, 2013, 02:09:10 AM
For some reason you believe it is hard to send and receive a CAD file than to move an actual firearm around.

For some reason you keep trying to compare apples to oranges.  If all you want are plans, they are out there.  When it comes to moving an actual firearm, plastic or not, it is the same.  

Give me some examples and explain why they are simpler to pull off without anything that relies on 3D printing.

Cheap, common tools, rather than a 3D printer.  People have been making guns for a very long time.  The tech is simple.  It isn't some miraculous accomplishment to make a weapon.  

I think you have lost sight of this discussion and my initial objection to your original claim.  
As much as I hate to reignite this thread, I need to comment. I think the difference of perspective here may come from difference in backgrounds. I believe the work of Defense Distributed has changed the world. Sure, people could make arms before this if they had the skill...but most people don't know this. It seems obvious, but if you didn't grow up around people who worked with metal or did crafty things with their hands, the idea of building your own firearm seems absolutely impossible. Go read the youtube comments for the new metal gun. People are blown away at the idea of a gun coming from some place other than a factory. This knowledge alone is enough to make a difference in my opinion. The state has been defeated on the issue of gun control (whether DefDist deserves credit for the victory itself doesn't matter), the point is that it's out in the open for many more people to see, and DefDist definitely helped there.