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Title: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: SinCityVoluntaryist on June 02, 2013, 04:38:43 PM
 The sixth of this month marks the beginning of the annual Bilderberg conference. England is the hotspot for this year's event. I'll keep this site with info as it comes in over what is being discussed. You're all free to post your own info.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 02, 2013, 04:50:18 PM
The sixth of this month marks the beginning of the annual Bilderberg conference. England is the hotspot for this year's event. I'll keep this site with info as it comes in over what is being discussed. You're all free to post your own info.

What is this and why should I care?


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: oooorgle on June 02, 2013, 08:59:05 PM
What is this and why should I care?

It is said that this group is made of those whom shape public policy, or something to that effect. It is truly a gathering of disgusting individuals. If you have never seen the attendee lists, well, what else would these dicks be doing in there I have to ask.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: State-God on June 02, 2013, 09:11:19 PM
The sixth of this month marks the beginning of the annual Bilderberg conference. England is the hotspot for this year's event. I'll keep this site with info as it comes in over what is being discussed. You're all free to post your own info.

What is this and why should I care?

They're the people the conspiracy theorists always refer to.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: AgoristTeen1994 on June 03, 2013, 12:42:32 PM
What State-God and oooorgle said. A lot of the "ahem" crazier conspiracy theorists tend to rant about how all of the attendees are either brainwashed minions of the Lizard Jews/People or in fact Lizard Jews/People wearing some kind of disguise, and how the bildebergers are behind EVERY SINGLE major event in the last oh 200 years. (The following is supposed to be a mockery of the "special" people who believe this bullcrap) American Civil War and the assassination of Lincoln? It was them. Bolshevick Revolution, World War 1? It was them. WWII and the development of nuclear weapons? Only an sheep or a schill would claim it wasn't them. 9/11, and all of the other terrorists attacks? It. Was. THEM MAN! THE FREAKING LIZARD JEWS, MAN!!! At which point they start frothing at the mouth while raving about aliens, Area 51 and include the term "Lizard Jews" or the word "Bilderbergs" or even occasionally "Rothschilds" every couple sentences.

As you can tell I have a lot of....scorn for those idiots. In any case, regarding the conference I'll put it this way. Are the attendees some of the smarmiest, most pretentious, arrogant assholes and control freaks? Indeed. Are they mocking the common people and perhaps making a few schemes? Indubitably. Is the reality anywhere near as bad as even the more sane of the conspiracy theorists say it is, let alone the stark, raving, frothing-at-the-mouth lunatics claims it is? That is about as unlikely as my asshole of a neighbor spontaneously bursting into flame, in other words, possible, but so unlikely it might as well be impossible.


@SinCityVoluntaryist if you want to keep this site updated on "what is being discusses" feel free to do so. However I suggest you chill out about it since it highly unlikely to be anything more than one of those upper upper class galas that go to.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: oooorgle on June 04, 2013, 07:32:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6krUWv7a_E4


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: acft on June 05, 2013, 09:20:55 PM
What State-God and oooorgle said. A lot of the "ahem" crazier conspiracy theorists tend to rant about how all of the attendees are either brainwashed minions of the Lizard Jews/People or in fact Lizard Jews/People wearing some kind of disguise, and how the bildebergers are behind EVERY SINGLE major event in the last oh 200 years. (The following is supposed to be a mockery of the "special" people who believe this bullcrap) American Civil War and the assassination of Lincoln? It was them. Bolshevick Revolution, World War 1? It was them. WWII and the development of nuclear weapons? Only an sheep or a schill would claim it wasn't them. 9/11, and all of the other terrorists attacks? It. Was. THEM MAN! THE FREAKING LIZARD JEWS, MAN!!! At which point they start frothing at the mouth while raving about aliens, Area 51 and include the term "Lizard Jews" or the word "Bilderbergs" or even occasionally "Rothschilds" every couple sentences.




Don't forget the hollow moon base and the fact that they are all powerful and all-knowing.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: magentawave on June 07, 2013, 07:42:34 PM
The Bilderberg Group is an annual meeting where about 100 of the wealthiest and most influential statists like Henry Kissinger and other creepy politicians and heads of large corporations and international banksters meet in secret to discuss how best to gain the most control over others because lack of empathy and control IS what psychopaths/sociopaths and narcissists are all about. They always choose a huge location with lots of space surrounding it so they can fence it off and then buy out the entire hotel/resort complex and install massive security that includes having police at gun point preventing people from walking outside the grounds, etc. Yesterday was the first day of their meeting and they had Checkpoint Charlies set up where residents of Watford England had to produce their papers to get back to their homes because of these bastards. Put together all the richest Hollywood celebrities and there's no way they could buy a no-fly zone over their gathering, yet the Bilderberg creeps have a no-fly zone every year. Bilderberg, politicians and corporate media shills for the state have been denying their existence for 50 years but words been getting out thanks to the internet and people like Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com and now they even have their own website http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org. If you're still laughing and thinking this is bat-shit crazy conspiracy theory stuff then just know that you have allowed yourself to be manipulated like a sheeple by the same fuckers that've been propagandizing us 24/7/365 to believe we need the state.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 07, 2013, 08:27:46 PM
Meh. I doubt there is a conspiracy there's just violence. The Aristocracy of Pull.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: magentawave on June 07, 2013, 08:54:45 PM
Meh. I doubt there is a conspiracy there's just violence. The Aristocracy of Pull.

You say that only because you've been propagandized to dismiss anything that is a conspiracy...

Conspiracy, as defined by TheFreeDictionary.com:
1. the act of conspiring.
2. a plan or agreement formulated, esp. in secret, by two or more persons to commit an unlawful, harmful, or treacherous act.
3. a group of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose.


Dan Dicks put together an excellent documentary about the Bilderberg Group last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcHszo89ugc&


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 07, 2013, 09:06:41 PM
Meh. I doubt there is a conspiracy there's just violence. The Aristocracy of Pull.

You say that only because you've been propagandized to dismiss anything that is a conspiracy...

Conspiracy, as defined by TheFreeDictionary.com:
1. the act of conspiring.
2. a plan or agreement formulated, esp. in secret, by two or more persons to commit an unlawful, harmful, or treacherous act.
3. a group of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose.


Dan Dicks put together an excellent documentary about the Bilderberg Group last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcHszo89ugc&


Oh I'm sure that these Bilderberg people exist, I'm sure they have a meeting, and I'm sure they're creeps.

It really depends on what you mean by "conspiracy". If you mean that there is a thousand year plot for world domination nope if you mean that scumy people plot to increase their wealth and influence. Absolutely that happens.

I really hate the notion that skeptic = sheeple.

Please...


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: State-God on June 07, 2013, 09:19:31 PM
The thing with conspiracy theories, for me at least, is that it's easy to fall down the rabbit hole.

I figure it this way: we're already working towards the abolition and/or restriction of the institution(s) that are purportedly engaging in conspiracy anyways, so why worry about it?


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 07, 2013, 09:25:35 PM
The thing with conspiracy theories, for me at least, is that it's easy to fall down the rabbit hole.

I figure it this way: we're already working towards the abolition and/or restriction of the institution(s) that are purportedly engaging in conspiracy anyways, so why worry about it?

This thought strikes me as highly amusing in my current state of conciousness. Bravo.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: dpalme on June 08, 2013, 01:12:54 PM
Yeah, shits going down. Is it that these douchebags are plotting our enslavement? Probably not. I don't recall who said it but the sender quote (paraphrased) "don't cry conspiracy to what can be contributed to rich people doing dumb things."


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: oooorgle on June 08, 2013, 04:10:49 PM
You would need to be a powerful media, corporate, political, or some sociopathic think-tank douche-bag to qualify to attend, not just rich. Hence the wonder of what public policy comes out of these meetings since those that directly influence and control public policy attend them.

2013 Bilderberg Attendee List
http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/04/official-bilderberg-attendee-list-released


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 08, 2013, 05:40:47 PM
You would need to be a powerful media, corporate, political, or some sociopathic think-tank douche-bag to qualify to attend, not just rich. Hence the wonder of what public policy comes out of these meetings since those that directly influence and control public policy attend them.

2013 Bilderberg Attendee List
http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/04/official-bilderberg-attendee-list-released

It's a conspiracy, but is it what is normally associated with "conspiracy theory"? Hardly. Penn Jillet sums it up well when he points out that they couldn't even keep quite about Water Gate and conspiracy theorists expect them to be competent enough to keep the conspiracy secret for multiple generations? A little fantastical isn't it.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: Seth King on June 08, 2013, 05:52:04 PM
You would need to be a powerful media, corporate, political, or some sociopathic think-tank douche-bag to qualify to attend, not just rich. Hence the wonder of what public policy comes out of these meetings since those that directly influence and control public policy attend them.

2013 Bilderberg Attendee List
http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/04/official-bilderberg-attendee-list-released

It's a conspiracy, but is it what is normally associated with "conspiracy theory"? Hardly. Penn Jillet sums it up well when he points out that they couldn't even keep quite about Water Gate and conspiracy theorists expect them to be competent enough to keep the conspiracy secret for multiple generations? A little fantastical isn't it.

The conspiracy is that Watergate wasn't MEANT to be secret.  ;) Nixon was set up!


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: State-God on June 08, 2013, 07:28:26 PM
You would need to be a powerful media, corporate, political, or some sociopathic think-tank douche-bag to qualify to attend, not just rich. Hence the wonder of what public policy comes out of these meetings since those that directly influence and control public policy attend them.

2013 Bilderberg Attendee List
http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/04/official-bilderberg-attendee-list-released

It's a conspiracy, but is it what is normally associated with "conspiracy theory"? Hardly. Penn Jillet sums it up well when he points out that they couldn't even keep quite about Water Gate and conspiracy theorists expect them to be competent enough to keep the conspiracy secret for multiple generations? A little fantastical isn't it.

The conspiracy is that Watergate wasn't MEANT to be secret.  ;) Nixon was set up!

Counter-conspiracy ftw.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 08, 2013, 08:19:51 PM
You would need to be a powerful media, corporate, political, or some sociopathic think-tank douche-bag to qualify to attend, not just rich. Hence the wonder of what public policy comes out of these meetings since those that directly influence and control public policy attend them.

2013 Bilderberg Attendee List
http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/04/official-bilderberg-attendee-list-released

It's a conspiracy, but is it what is normally associated with "conspiracy theory"? Hardly. Penn Jillet sums it up well when he points out that they couldn't even keep quite about Water Gate and conspiracy theorists expect them to be competent enough to keep the conspiracy secret for multiple generations? A little fantastical isn't it.

The conspiracy is that Watergate wasn't MEANT to be secret.  ;) Nixon was set up!

My mind = BLOWN :)


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: magentawave on June 08, 2013, 08:59:17 PM
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It really depends on what you mean by "conspiracy". If you mean that there is a thousand year plot for world domination nope if you mean that scumy people plot to increase their wealth and influence. Absolutely that happens.

I really hate the notion that skeptic = sheeple.

Please...


Three points please...

1) CONSPIRACY: Here's the definition again since apparently a few of you missed it before...

Conspiracy:
1. the act of conspiring.
2. a plan or agreement formulated, esp. in secret, by two or more persons to commit an unlawful, harmful, or treacherous act.
3. a group of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose.


After reading the definition this time can you accept that what the Bilderberg Group does is probably by its very definition a conspiracy?

The guy that started this thread said nothing in his first post about "conspiracy" but I find it fascinating that all the supposed "free-thinking" anarchists were happy to pile on with ridicule. Do you understand that your sneering ridicule is a knee-jerk response to what you've been conditioned/taught/brainwashed/mind controlled to re-act to when you read or hear this stuff? You know, shut down all further discussion and possibility of reaching the truth by discrediting and ridicule. This tactic has been used for a very long time by religion and the state. Do you recognize that your knee-jerk response is by design brought to you by the very thing you most recoil from that is still successfully fucking with your minds even though you call yourselves anarchists? Yeah, that IS some heavy duty programming and once again proves how deep the roots that this festering repugnant global cult known as statism etches itself into our consciousness.

I'm not trying to pick on you here because we've all been there, but no one is truly free until they achieve freedom in their own consciousness. The process of being free means to question all of our assertions so we know why we think what we think. Get it? If so then this might be a good time to question why you felt the need to dump all over this thread with knee-jerk ridicule and accusations of "conspiracies" and "conspiracy theories."


2) DOMINATION: When you understand that a significant percentage of the worlds population is comprised of Psychopaths, Sociopaths, and NPD's (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) with the commonality between all three being a total lack of empathy for others (i.e. no conscience) and a compulsion to control and dominate others then the concept of there being long term plans to fuck you over isn't the least bit far-fetched. I contend that one of the main components for what makes statism tick is that these sick fucks populate high positions in large corporations and government because nowhere else can you have the most control over the most people.


3) SHEEPLE: Of course skeptic shouldn't equal sheeple, but sheeple (i.e. those lacking critical thinking skills) are often the most vociferous defenders of the state and status quo in general and mask their lack of critical thinking by appearing skeptical and level-headed...when they are neither. For more information on this please refer back to #1 regarding conspiracies.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: magentawave on June 08, 2013, 09:03:45 PM
Good 10 minute speech by David Icke outside the Bilderberg confab yesterday and captured by Luke Rudkowski of WeAreChange.org...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-YGE2KLa58&


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 08, 2013, 09:20:40 PM
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I'm not trying to pick on you here because we've all been there, but no one is truly free until they achieve freedom in their own consciousness. The process of being free means to question all of our assertions so we know why we think what we think. Get it? If so then this might be a good time to question why you felt the need to dump all over this thread with knee-jerk ridicule and accusations of "conspiracies" and "conspiracy theories."

Oh I've done this ALOT.

I don't feel picked on if you're addressing me. I'm mildly annoyed though. I asked why I should care about this and the responses I got were that these particular douschebags were the subject of conspiracy "theories". Which I will ridicule because conspiracy "theories" tend to be claims that can't be falsified similar to claims about the existence of God. All these conspiracies COULD be right, but they don't pass the Rake and fail the Razor more often than not.

But like with anything even claims about alternative medicine bring forth the claims and I'll look into it when I get the time which probably won't be for a while.

Lew Rockwell makes a huge Epistomological error when he says that the State is bullshit therefore everything that the State says must be a lie (which is called the Liar's Paradox BTW). That's why I'm not a fan of Rockwell and Alex Jones is just a nut.

Is that ridicule? I don't know maybe. Do claims about Lizard Men and Jews and blah blah blah Templars blah blah Denver Airport blah blah deserve ridicule? Absolutely. 

Could I be wrong? Sure.

State-God hit it on the head when he said "We already oppose the State does it matter if there's a conspiracy or not?"

There really should be more information leaks if all these conspiracies are actually true.

I wish the Libertarian Skeptic were more prominent but it isn't. It seems that when people let go of the State they also like to let go of evidence... No skin off my nose in any case.



Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 08, 2013, 09:30:16 PM
You know something that just occured to me?

It's not the State that gives conspiracy "theories" bad names. Conspiracy "theories" give Libertarians bad names.

At the end of the day a conspiracy HYPOTHESIS (because theory is just way to generous) is not necessary. The State already exists the false dichotomy of the two party system is evident yet people actually think there is a dichotomy.

Start Occam's Razor

several steps later

Mega conspiracies are superfluous.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: magentawave on June 08, 2013, 09:53:00 PM
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State-God hit it on the head when he said "We already oppose the State does it matter if there's a conspiracy or not?"

There really should be more information leaks if all these conspiracies are actually true.

Again, there you go labeling anything a "conspiracy" that falls outside the confines of your neat little box known as your belief system. Good job!

And yes it does matter a lot if you use the same techniques they use to shut down further discussion which is exactly what you're doing when you bring up stuff no one is talking about like lizard people and the jews and denver airport. You did the same thing yesterday with the alternative medicine discussion. Whats up with that dude?

There were/are tons of "information leaks" but don't hold your breath if you're expecting to hear about them on CNN or Fox. Ever heard of Sibel Edmunds  http://www.classifiedwoman.com or all the whistleblowers BO has been prosecuting? Besides doing a good job of partitioning (for the sake of plausible deniability), you want to know who rises to the top in spook agencies like the CIA, FBI, etc? Those who fucked up bad doing something their spook bosses can hold against them later if they talk.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: magentawave on June 08, 2013, 09:57:19 PM

It's not the State that gives conspiracy "theories" bad names. Conspiracy "theories" give Libertarians bad names.

No doubt there is lots of disinformation floating around out there, but who do you think by design was probably responsible for changing the meaning of the word "anarchy" to general mayhem, chaos and destruction of property, etc?


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 08, 2013, 10:30:33 PM
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State-God hit it on the head when he said "We already oppose the State does it matter if there's a conspiracy or not?"

There really should be more information leaks if all these conspiracies are actually true.

Again, there you go labeling anything a "conspiracy" that falls outside the confines of your neat little box known as your belief system. Good job!

And yes it does matter a lot if you use the same techniques they use to shut down further discussion which is exactly what you're doing when you bring up stuff no one is talking about like lizard people and the jews and denver airport. You did the same thing yesterday with the alternative medicine discussion. Whats up with that dude?

There were/are tons of "information leaks" but don't hold your breath if you're expecting to hear about them on CNN or Fox. Ever heard of Sibel Edmunds  http://www.classifiedwoman.com or all the whistleblowers BO has been prosecuting? Besides doing a good job of partitioning (for the sake of plausible deniability), you want to know who rises to the top in spook agencies like the CIA, FBI, etc? Those who fucked up bad doing something their spook bosses can hold against them later if they talk.


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Again, there you go labeling anything a "conspiracy" that falls outside the confines of your neat little box known as your belief system. Good job!
A semantically null sentence, I can't come to a conclusion outside of my own conciousness can I?

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And yes it does matter a lot if you use the same techniques they use to shut down further discussion which is exactly what you're doing when you bring up stuff no one is talking about like lizard people and the jews and denver airport. You did the same thing yesterday with the alternative medicine discussion. Whats up with that dude?

Other people brought up Lizard Men and yada yada yada. I may have added the Denver Airport but really all the nonsense starts to run together after you've heard enough of it. It becomes difficult to keep the unfalsifiable claims straight. I do have a tendency to rant. I like to rant. Yesterday you were the one running around talking about magic! Unless I misunderstood what you meant by the things you were saying. You were the one speculating about energy flow and chiropractics, someone was also making claims about the motivations of doctors, AND claiming that EVERYONE was either conspiring cowed or clueless in the scientific community.

Guess what that wasn't me.

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There were/are tons of "information leaks" but don't hold your breath if you're expecting to hear about them on CNN or Fox.
I quit wasting my time on the news a long time ago.

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Ever heard of Sibel Edmunds  http://www.classifiedwoman.com or all the whistleblowers BO has been prosecuting?

If we're talking about conspiracies maybe these people BO is prosecuting were framed similar to Nixon? I mean why not?

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Besides doing a good job of partitioning (for the sake of plausible deniability)
Good business.

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you want to know who rises to the top in spook agencies like the CIA, FBI, etc? Those who fucked up bad doing something their spook bosses can hold against them later if they talk.
Possible, but still speculation.

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No doubt there is lots of disinformation floating around out there, but who do you think by design was probably responsible for changing the meaning of the word "anarchy" to general mayhem, chaos and destruction of property, etc?
Does the fact that the State uses propaganda, and disinformation, mean that all the claims against the State is real?








Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: magentawave on June 11, 2013, 04:54:07 PM
Yesterday you were the one running around talking about magic!

Uh no dude. You're being disingenuous. You were the one that used the term "magic" and brought up crystals, not me. Seth King and I were expressing doubts of allopathic medicines effectiveness for treating dis-ease since allopathy treats symptoms instead of finding the cause. We said nothing about "magic" unless you consider chiropractics and massage to be magic.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on June 11, 2013, 06:32:21 PM
You would need to be a powerful media, corporate, political, or some sociopathic think-tank douche-bag to qualify to attend, not just rich. Hence the wonder of what public policy comes out of these meetings since those that directly influence and control public policy attend them.

2013 Bilderberg Attendee List
http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/04/official-bilderberg-attendee-list-released

It's a conspiracy, but is it what is normally associated with "conspiracy theory"? Hardly. Penn Jillet sums it up well when he points out that they couldn't even keep quite about Water Gate and conspiracy theorists expect them to be competent enough to keep the conspiracy secret for multiple generations? A little fantastical isn't it.

The conspiracy is that Watergate wasn't MEANT to be secret.  ;) Nixon was set up!

My mind = BLOWN :)
Actually, MAM's mind wasn't blown. The Bilderberg group paid Seth to invent that lie and then used mind control devices to trick MAM into reacting that way. Pretty obvious if you ask me.
PS: Lizards, banksters, taco bell beefy crunch burritos, and 9/11.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 12, 2013, 10:54:29 AM
Yesterday you were the one running around talking about magic!

Uh no dude. You're being disingenuous. You were the one that used the term "magic" and brought up crystals, not me. Seth King and I were expressing doubts of allopathic medicines effectiveness for treating dis-ease since allopathy treats symptoms instead of finding the cause. We said nothing about "magic" unless you consider chiropractics and massage to be magic.

Allopathic medicines exist. I mean aren't all pain killers allopathic?

I used the term magic because people should use it more. Why? Because there are a shit load of claims out there that are nothing short of magical claims, but people don't use it like that.

Prayer = magic
Tuning Forks = magic
The healing power of Dolphins = Magic

It really depends on what you mean when you say "chiropractics", if you think that chiropractics can cure a cold, you might believe in magic.

When I was in High School I was training with a guy who thought that chiropractics could literally cure anything that was wrong with you. It turns out that the individual who invented Chiropractics believed that too.

The thing is when you cut all the magic out of Chiropractics, Massage etc... You're left with what we call physical therapy. Which is a real thing with scientific backing.

When I say "alternative" I literally mean MAGIC. Because when you cut all the magic out of what people call "alternative" you're left with something that is in my experience anyway, something that scientific medicine acknowledges and uses. Unless of course the claim was purely magical in nature in which case it is denounced as MAGIC...

Yeah I brought up magic crystals, but you were the one who said that chiropractics could cure a sore throat. Which is possible I suppose if the source of the sore throat is not bacterial or viral in nature. Really most interpretations of that claim are going to involve magic.

Like I said I could have misunderstood all the shit you were saying but a lot of those claims seemed a bit fantastical to me.

How about we start over.

WHAT exactly are you claiming??? And all tell you whether or not I deem it magic. Does that sound like a good direction to go in?

PS. I would consider most claims about "conspiracies" to be magical in nature as well. Do conspiracies happen? YES!!! Are they as far fetched as people like Alex Jones seem to believe? NOPE. So if you want to talk conspiracies why don't you tell me what exactly it is that you are claiming...


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: braindead0 on June 12, 2013, 12:02:01 PM
This explains a lot.. the Bilderbergs are chiropractors! 

In my experience (having never been but having a wife (first wife) who went a lot) chiropractors are by and large mostly interested in repeat business, not curing problems.  Physical therapists on the other hand should generally be trying to cure problems.. 


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: magentawave on June 12, 2013, 12:59:45 PM
This explains a lot.. the Bilderbergs are chiropractors! 

In my experience (having never been but having a wife (first wife) who went a lot) chiropractors are by and large mostly interested in repeat business, not curing problems.  Physical therapists on the other hand should generally be trying to cure problems.. 

Any business not interested in "repeat business" is a business destined for failure. And yes, there are chiropractors that'll have you going forever if you're dumb enough to keep doing so, but its not just chiropractors that do that. I regularly do fun stuff that can jack up my body so a good chiropractor is essential but I only need to go once or twice a year.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: magentawave on June 12, 2013, 01:00:16 PM
MAM:

I never said chiropractors can cure colds but I think you did sarcastically. It was at that point that I shared an anecdotal story of the time I went to a chiropractor because my neck was hurting and I also happened to have a sore throat (although I didn't go because of the sore throat) and immediately after the adjustment the sore throat was gone. Did I say chiropractors can cure colds? No I didn't because I've only had one experience like that in my life so of course I couldn't say with any certainty whatsoever that chiropractics can cure colds.

Once again you distort someones words to mean something very different than what was clearly intended. If someone was discussing airplanes would you pipe in with: "Well, there ya go talking magic saying man will sprout wings and start flying." I registered on this forum quite a while ago and I'm not around very often but in two out of two threads in the last week I've seen you do this. Granted, maybe those two threads are a coincidence but do you have a history of doing this? You did that with the thread about Stefan Molyneux and cancer and again in this thread. Someone is discussing something that has credibility to anyone with a pulse and YOU take it to the ridiculous by injecting words that have nothing to do with the discussion. This behavior is typically used by politicians, media, narcissists, sociopaths and my crazy ass ex-girlfriend who I learned after I broke up with her was Borderline Personality Disorder. It is done for the purposes of controlling others and the effect is that it usually shuts down all further discussion. This is a form of GASLIGHTING http://tinyurl.com/7xtwzqh and if you are a narcissist or sociopath then there is no treatment. However, if you are a Borderline there is a therapy known as Dialectical Behavior Therapy that is highly effective IF you are committed to learning how to use it.

I don't even know where to start with all your other comments so I won't bother, but you said tuning forks = magic and I can tell you that it is kinda magical how you can tune a guitar with a tuning fork. ;D


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 12, 2013, 03:12:59 PM
I could be a sociopath. I could be insane. I could even have split personalities.

As I said before I asked on this thread what this is and why I should care and lo' I was told because these guys were linked to some bullshit. I did not bring that shit up.

As I also said before you were the one who mentioned energy and chiropractics together. If chiropratics did help your sore throat it did so because your throat was sore due to something unrelated to a cold.

I find it amusing how I'm the bad guy when I'm not making claims beyond the claim that I want evidence for your claims. Shit maybe you aren't claiming anything. Maybe it just appears like you're making claims.

Now please answer this question for me: What claims are you making if any, and what are the proofs you have in support of these claims?

If you aren't making any claims beyond the fact that I'm being disingenous then let's move on. If you want to make a claim lets talk about that. If you just want to complain about me being disingenous when I have given you my reasons for saying things I have and asked you to state clearly what your claims are I'm going to ask you to do it on your own and not waste my time.

You have defined conspiracy and I agreed with you that under that definition of conspiracy there are most assurdly conspiracies going on and I have also agreed that the assholes at this meeting are probably conspiring to increase their wealth and influence. Consider this a reaffirmation of agreement of those points.

So I ask you for what I hope is the last time: Are you going to bother to make any claims? So that we can actually discuss something here. Or are you going to continue to bitch about me?

Which is it? Make a claim? Or bitch some more. You decide.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: magentawave on June 12, 2013, 03:37:59 PM
I have no "claims" to make. If you're not a wack job and just a crotchety conservative close-minded whateva then I can only hope you'll try to be more cognizant of your gaslighting behavior.

I think this subject has sufficiently had the crap beat out of it so peace out dude. :)


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on June 12, 2013, 03:44:23 PM
I'll moderate:

Is it possible that adjusting someone's back or neck can help manage pain. Possibly. But not for the reasons they say. Maybe it takes pressure off a pinched nerve or something, but there isn't a magical "life force" whose flows has been interrupted.

All the talk about unspecified "energy flows" is fake... it's common to most alternative hoaxes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jFj_RL5QvM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcbe3Ao0ThU#t=6m30s     watch this part for 15 seconds or so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eQE38Iv4Kc#t=2m59s       watch this part for  47 seconds
I could link to other ones about healing magnets, the detection of paranormal activity, etc.

And chiropracty (sic?) is as effective at treating sore throats as a sugar pill. It's either coincidence, or it's all in the patient's head.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: magentawave on June 12, 2013, 04:44:58 PM
Maybe it takes pressure off a pinched nerve or something, but there isn't a magical "life force" whose flows has been interrupted. And chiropracty (sic?) is as effective at treating sore throats as a sugar pill. It's either coincidence, or it's all in the patient's head.

Sorry to break this to you but Physics 101 says that EVERYTHING in the universe is comprised of energy vibrating at varying frequencies which includes the human body...and when that nerve you speak of becomes "pinched" then the current or signal (i.e. energy flow - OMG!) coursing through the nervous system becomes impeded and you will be alerted of that blockage with pain.

You are feeding off of MAM's BS with the "chiropractics cures colds" thing which I never said so I won't bother going there again. This is precisely why gaslighting is so fucked up and destructive because people start piling on with "You said WHAT?!" crap because they re-act to what the person that was gaslighting accused the other of saying...when it was NEVER even said by that person!

On a forum about anarchism populated by those who have supposedly broken through the matrix of propaganda and superstition of state authority to realize the infinite possibilities inherent to a free mind I'm really surprised to find such conservative thinkers here.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: Seth King on June 12, 2013, 05:14:13 PM
Very few people take a holistic approach to well-being. Most people think a headache is a head problem. A throat ache is a throat problem and a foot ache is a foot problem.

Most people have about a 5 year old's understanding of how the body works.

Very few people have any scientific understanding of how a head ache could be a stomach problem, and throat ache could be a skin problem, or how a foot ache could be a back problem.

And then when the holistic says you need to solve the root cause instead of going after the symptoms the brainwashed masses think they're spewing magic talk.





Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: Seth King on June 12, 2013, 05:29:31 PM
Yesterday you were the one running around talking about magic!

Uh no dude. You're being disingenuous. You were the one that used the term "magic" and brought up crystals, not me. Seth King and I were expressing doubts of allopathic medicines effectiveness for treating dis-ease since allopathy treats symptoms instead of finding the cause. We said nothing about "magic" unless you consider chiropractics and massage to be magic.



The healing power of Dolphins = Magic




Is this magic?

(http://dogblog.dogstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/antidepressant-puppies.jpg)


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 12, 2013, 07:32:58 PM
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Sorry to break this to you but Physics 101 says that EVERYTHING in the universe is comprised of energy vibrating at varying frequencies which includes the human body.

That's not physics 101 that's Quantum Mechanics and by then energy is defined rigorously. Energy is the capacity for an object to do work. Work is the integral of force over a distance of displacement.

So yeah huge oversimplification. You're not even techniquely wrong as far as I can tell. You've just simplified everything to the point that your model is no where near reality.


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You are feeding off of MAM's BS with the "chiropractics cures colds" thing which I never said so I won't bother going there again. This is precisely why gaslighting is so fucked up and destructive because people start piling on with "You said WHAT?!" crap because they re-act to what the person that was gaslighting accused the other of saying...when it was NEVER even said by that person!

Because you're clearly not talking about magic. "I went to a chiropractor and he cured my sore throat" clearly is not implying anything of the sort. Truly I am at fault because you never directly said anything you merely implied it and when I went after the implications of what you said that was off topic and Gas Lighting. Then when I asked you a direct question you backed out. So which is it? Am I changing the subject or are you too busy being the victim to actually bother to say anything worthwhile? Yes I am cranky, I had an irritating day. I don't however think I'm being unreasonable here. You're mad because I "gaslighted" you, yet here we are still talking about how I'm the bad guy when I have tried to get you to do something besides throw a fit like a two year old.

Again I'm the bad guy here obviously.

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Very few people have any scientific understanding of how a head ache could be a stomach problem, and throat ache could be a skin problem, or how a foot ache could be a back problem.

I'm not denying this.

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Is this magic?

No this is not magic. With the Dolphins comment I was refering to claims about how Dolphins can cure cancer and all that nonsense about "dolphin births" and yada yada yada. With the tuning forks I was refering to how it is claimed that said forks can heal your body of aliments yada yada. Essentially they are supposed to cleanse your auras and blah blah blah.

Curing depression through things like that is certainly possible I could even see that happening with Dolphins and really any creature that is friendly.

The placebo effect is very real as well. Which means it's entirely possible that a trip to the chiropractor could make someone think that the chiropractor cured the cold. If they believe that's possible etc... Just like sugar pills can make people feel better. It's not actually doing anything though.


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On a forum about anarchism populated by those who have supposedly broken through the matrix of propaganda and superstition of state authority to realize the infinite possibilities inherent to a free mind I'm really surprised to find such conservative thinkers here

I think what you've done is to break through the matrix of reality. I could be wrong. But we'll never know because you're to busy playing victim over there, so you can't be bothered to make a specific claim. You just talk about physics and energy and yada yada yada... and make me seriously wonder if you actually know anything about physics besides what
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fits into your neat little box called your belief system
oh did I just...?

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To be clear here I'm more annoyed by the fact that this conversation is still going on and not producing anything, than I am about the continued accusations of gas lighting after I have made attempts to turn the conversation onto something productive.

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infinite possibilities inherent to a free mind I'm really surprised to find such conservative thinkers here


Hmmm...
















Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 12, 2013, 08:09:37 PM
And for those of you that care. I'm not claiming that chiropractics can't cure a cold, and that dolphins can't heal and blah blah blah... I'm saying that I'll wait for evidence before I believe it.

If wanting evidence for one's beliefs is conservative then I'm probably the most conservative person you'll ever have a conversation with.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: Seth King on June 12, 2013, 08:44:03 PM
Nobody's stopping you from studying medicine.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: MAM on June 13, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
Nobody's stopping you from studying medicine.

Actually I'm studying Emergency Medicine right now. It's pretty cool but really hard man.


Title: Re: Bilderberg 2013
Post by: magentawave on June 13, 2013, 01:06:01 PM
Because you're clearly not talking about magic. "I went to a chiropractor and he cured my sore throat" clearly is not implying anything of the sort.



WTF dude, this is getting ridiculous!  ???

I guess you forgot but you said this in the 7th post down on this page https://dailyanarchist.com/forum/index.php/topic,2425.75.html

"Chiropractics and massage won't cure a cold because again magic isn't real."


And all I did was to share a cool experience I had once by saying this in the 10th post on that page...

"But I never said anything about "magic" or crystals or chiropractics so I don't understand why you would presume that.  

However, regarding chiropractics curing a cold...   I went to a chiro because my neck had been hurting for a few days and I happen to have a sore throat then too. I didn't go to the chiro because of the sore throat but when I got up a few minutes later after being snapped, crackled and popped the sore throat was gone! True story."


I'm done dude - you win or whatever, and sorry to the OP for hijacking your thread!