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Title: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: SinCityVoluntaryist on May 25, 2013, 01:10:16 AM
 Just reminding everyone that tomorrow is the worldwide March against Monsanto event. I'm going with some friends to represent the young libertarians of my state. I encourage all of you to attend to protest one of the most dangerous corporate/government power structures in the world right now. Monsanto=poison. Organic/farmer's markets=health.


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: State-God on May 25, 2013, 01:22:33 AM
Are they really that bad? I mean, not that I'd doubt it exploits State licensure and whatnot to its advantage, but many of its opponents always struck me as a bunch of economic-illiterate hippies.



Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: SinCityVoluntaryist on May 25, 2013, 05:17:41 PM
^A good portion of the people there were leftist-hippie types. I figured that they would be in large numbers at the event. However, there were also a very good number of libertarians as well.


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: oooorgle on May 26, 2013, 12:14:47 PM
many of its opponents always struck me as a bunch of economic-illiterate hippies.

No wonder you seem so uninformed, judging books by their cover.


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: State-God on May 26, 2013, 01:10:29 PM
many of its opponents always struck me as a bunch of economic-illiterate hippies.

No wonder you seem so uninformed, judging books by their cover.

Most of the arguments I've heard are hippy (broadly anti-business, pro-environment to ridiculous extents, pro-small farmer to ridiculous extents, etc etc). Arguments like that just don't win me over, frankly.

I have been looking at the more libertarian arguments against them (using corporate licensure to dominate the market, violating private property, lowering quality, etc etc), and they do make sense.



Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: MAM on May 26, 2013, 01:25:37 PM
The arguments I've heard against Monsanto are a mixed bag.

I've heard alot of stuff coming out of the "organic" camp.

Man I hate herbalist and organic arguments.


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: State-God on May 26, 2013, 01:56:46 PM
The arguments I've heard against Monsanto are a mixed bag.

I've heard alot of stuff coming out of the "organic" camp.

Man I hate herbalist and organic arguments.

^


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: Rothbardian on May 26, 2013, 01:59:07 PM
Personally I admire companies like Monsanto that can exploit the state to make massive profits. However, I am opposed to government allowing this to exist through subsidies and regs. ;D


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: Guardian on May 26, 2013, 08:02:25 PM
Many statist-environmentalists want Monsanto to be stopped by government, even though it only exists because of the government.


Here are some news reports about the marches:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtHWk8Lo-_c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eam2JCioEek


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: oooorgle on May 27, 2013, 06:52:02 AM
Most of the arguments I've heard are hippy (broadly anti-business, pro-environment to ridiculous extents, pro-small farmer to ridiculous extents, etc etc). Arguments like that just don't win me over, frankly.

I have been looking at the more libertarian arguments against them (using corporate licensure to dominate the market, violating private property, lowering quality, etc etc), and they do make sense.


Research Monsanto and not those that protest it. To say there is nothing wrong with Monsanto because hippies protest it is stupid and irresponsible. You just may gain an understanding of what hippies are able to comprehend. Perhaps not.


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: State-God on May 27, 2013, 09:10:47 AM
Most of the arguments I've heard are hippy (broadly anti-business, pro-environment to ridiculous extents, pro-small farmer to ridiculous extents, etc etc). Arguments like that just don't win me over, frankly.

I have been looking at the more libertarian arguments against them (using corporate licensure to dominate the market, violating private property, lowering quality, etc etc), and they do make sense.


Research Monsanto and not those that protest it. To say there is nothing wrong with Monsanto because hippies protest it is stupid and irresponsible. You just may gain an understanding of what hippies are able to comprehend. Perhaps not.

Your shoddily cloaked insults are getting old.


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: mchappy on May 27, 2013, 01:40:27 PM
If you guys dont realize monsanto is horrible...I dont know what to say. Its the definition of being in bed with the state.


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: Seth King on May 27, 2013, 02:30:25 PM
Monsanto sucks. A good documentary to watch is called The Corporation.


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: MAM on May 27, 2013, 02:58:17 PM
If you guys dont realize monsanto is horrible...I dont know what to say. Its the definition of being in bed with the state.

It's a corporation of course it is on the State's nuts. Google and Walmart aren't any different are they?


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: oooorgle on May 27, 2013, 03:10:21 PM

Research Monsanto and not those that protest it. To say there is nothing wrong with Monsanto because hippies protest it is stupid and irresponsible. You just may gain an understanding of what hippies are able to comprehend. Perhaps not.


Your shoddily cloaked insults are getting old.

Terms like ‘stupid’ and ‘irresponsible,’ while not exactly complimentary, express specific concepts, rather than just being generic insults. The fact that you don’t like those qualities being identified doesn’t make them untrue.


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: State-God on May 27, 2013, 06:27:42 PM

Research Monsanto and not those that protest it. To say there is nothing wrong with Monsanto because hippies protest it is stupid and irresponsible. You just may gain an understanding of what hippies are able to comprehend. Perhaps not.


Your shoddily cloaked insults are getting old.

Terms like ‘stupid’ and ‘irresponsible,’ while not exactly complimentary, express specific concepts, rather than just being generic insults. The fact that you don’t like those qualities being identified doesn’t make them untrue.

Constructive criticism would help you more, as the insults are just inspiring me to ignore you.

Or maybe you don't want me to change, and just want to insult people.

I don't know, and I don't really care, I think.

EDIT: Moving this back towards the discussion at hand, after doing some reading the problem with Monsanto seems, to me at least, to stem more from the larger intellectual property issue than anything else (although there's definitely some court-rigging at hand, but that's just a given when it comes to corporations).

The rest of the arguments I'm seeing all seem to fall back on the 'organic is better' argument. Perhaps it is, but that seems to just call for statism in the opposite direction (i.e. towards giving 'organic' farmers monopolistic powers rather than non-'organic'), especially given that a large portion of the (non-anarchist) anti-monsanto camp wants GMO's to forcibly identified as such.

Although most libertarians obviously don't want that, I do think care should be taken to not get too comfortably bedded with the statists.


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: oooorgle on May 27, 2013, 07:38:43 PM
Moving this back towards the discussion at hand,

What is a "Seed Patent" and how many seed patents does Monsanto hold?
What does an "Indian Farmer" have to do with Monsanto?

What is:
PCB
AgentOrange
Phosphate
Aspartame
NutraSweet
Saccharin
Cyclamate
DDT
2,4,5-T
BGH
BST
Cycle-Safe
the Dekalb Genetics Corp.?
... list goes on seemingly forever.

But then, they also created phenol, urethane foam, AstroTurf, and acetylsalicyclic acid so I ask you, ask yourself, "are they really that bad?" Even with over 100 years of successful political fascism?


Title: Re: March against Monsanto Day
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on June 11, 2013, 07:46:58 PM
You can get to and from Monsanto through the revolving door.