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Title: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: TormentaoftheState on November 19, 2012, 11:47:17 AM
I will soon be giving a presentation on Anarcho-Capitalism to my Business Communication class and was wondering what people on this forum thought were important points to include/expand upon.


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: Syock on November 19, 2012, 12:13:31 PM
There are so many to choose from!

1. Ancap does not equal chaos.
2. Freedom for you requires freedom for everyone.
3. Sufficient resistance/self defense against the state will always cause the state to try to kill you, even for what starts as a parking ticket.
4. The state can only steal from some to give to others.  It can not create wealth.  Even creating money is stealing monetary value from existing money. 



Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: Tear-Down-the-Wall on November 19, 2012, 12:24:19 PM
I will soon be giving a presentation on Anarcho-Capitalism to my Business Communication class and was wondering what people on this forum thought were important points to include/expand upon.

This is just me, but since it's a business class, I'd focus on the economics, not the politics.

The good thing you can do is tie it in with current policies.

Washington and Colorado legalized marijuana. How is a free market economy helped when the state steps in and tells a businessman what he and cannot do on his property.

You can tie in the non-aggression principle. I can't sell you milk with cyanide in it because I would be infringing on your right to life. Marijuana is harmless, scientific fact, so why can't I sell it?
If marijuana doesn't go over, bring up Kinder Eggs. They're chocolate eggs with toys in the center and they're illegal to bring into the United States because kids "might" choke on them. They're legal everywhere else.

You can tie in Blue Laws with this. In my state, Oklahoma, liquor stores and car dealerships are closed on Sunday. I, as a business owner, can't sell Kinder Eggs or liquor in my state and I'm regulated on when I can. If I want to sell it 24/7/365, why can't I?

If the Civil Rights Act or Americans with Disabilites Act comes up, bring up property rights.
Do you have the right to throw Neo-Nazi from your house and off your property?
If yes, say you build a restaurant by your house, still on your propery. Do you still have a right to throw said person out?
If yes, why is it alright with one group of people but not another? Do people not have the right to serve who they want? Why must the state create a special class of people?

If you have the time, watch this. We see how regulations are not done always with "good" intentions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBiJB8YuDBQ


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: Syock on November 19, 2012, 12:29:48 PM
I can't sell you milk with cyanide in it because I would be infringing on your right to life.

I think you mean shouldn't, not can't. 


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: SinCityVoluntaryist on November 19, 2012, 12:39:53 PM
 As stated earlier, focus a little more on the economics die. Hayek, the Austrian Business Cycle--these are things you should include.


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: MAM on November 19, 2012, 12:58:30 PM
Demonstrate why we have inflation, and how inflation effects everyone, point out the obvious alternative to fiat currency.

Point out how everything the government does to "help" people ends up hurting them.

Some Examples:

Minimum wage: Minimum wage increases unemployment, it also rewards those who don't deserve to get paid what minimum wage pays them whilst punishing those who deserve more.

Regulation of Medicine: You can insert a clip of Ron Paul here, where he explains that before medicare and medicade he was a doctor working at a hospital that managed to treat everyone without the gov forcing them too. Since government intervention prices have sky rocketed.

Licenses: A licenses is asking permission to do X and is essentially a shake down of the individual, this creates a barrier to entry and only serves to help the larger corporations and harms smaller businesses. The alternative in a Free Market these things wouldn't exist helping the poor.

Taxation: Let's start basic and not talk about why taxation is theft. Let's just show that how taxation negatively impacts the economy. Taxation raises the prices of goods, and at the same time it takes money out the pockets of employees. It hits them in two areas. Taxation also raises unemployment as well as stifling economic growth.


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: State-God on November 19, 2012, 01:05:57 PM
Do NOT use the world anarchy. If you use it everyone will automatically associate whatever you say next with "chaos".

Like SinCity said, focus on the economic aspect- although you'll get alot of opposition even with that it'll get people actually thinking instead of blocking any new ideas right off the bat.


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: BobRobertson on November 19, 2012, 02:24:26 PM
The free market is what happens when people are left alone.

Supply and demand will meet. If there is a demand for safe food, safe food will be produced and certification agents who make money certifying that the food is safe (think Underwriter's Labs) will make sure of it.

But as others have said, avoid the word "anarchy".


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on November 19, 2012, 04:01:41 PM
Market anarchism is probably too great a topic for a short presentation. How long are you presenting? Maybe pick one element of it. Just the Federal Reserve, or just the ATotBC. Or just talk about how Republicans are anti-free market (since b-school people tend to vote elephant).


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: Syock on November 19, 2012, 05:05:24 PM
Licenses: A licenses is asking permission to do X and is essentially a shake down of the individual, this creates a barrier to entry and only serves to help the larger corporations and harms smaller businesses. The alternative in a Free Market these things wouldn't exist helping the poor.

I expect licenses would exist in a free market.  They have a place there as a certification of quality or skill.  The government just takes things to extremes, like needing a license to arrange flowers.  


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: Rothbardian on November 19, 2012, 05:22:50 PM
How is a presentation on ancap appropriate for a business communications class? I could understand for a poli sci or econ class, but...


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: State-God on November 19, 2012, 06:18:15 PM
How is a presentation on ancap appropriate for a business communications class? I could understand for a poli sci or econ class, but...

Understanding economics is important in business, especially Austrian economics instead of that Keynesian shit.


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: Rothbardian on November 19, 2012, 06:23:36 PM
How is a presentation on ancap appropriate for a business communications class? I could understand for a poli sci or econ class, but...

Understanding economics is important in business, especially Austrian economics instead of that Keynesian shit.
Well, this is true, but I thought business communications was different than other business classes? I thought the subject was just about communicating in business? How is ancap related to that?


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: TormentaoftheState on November 19, 2012, 08:08:48 PM
Thank you all for the suggestions, and to clarify the topic, it has to be about an experience we had that impacted us. So, I chose to do mine over my discovery of Austrian Econ/an-cap. As far as the business thing goes, it is mainly just an exercise to get people more comfortable with presenting in a professional format. We've done several other projects more tied in with the business world (professional issues etc.). The presentation will be around 15 minutes in length, so I should be able to get quite a bit of base information in.

Also, on using the term "anarchy," I feel it will have less of a shocking impact due to my lead in (Ron Paul, sound money etc.) I just want to give people some exposure to it, being as I go to school in Oklahoma and don't feel there's much said about the subject being in a "red" stronghold.


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: MAM on November 19, 2012, 10:16:19 PM
Licenses: A licenses is asking permission to do X and is essentially a shake down of the individual, this creates a barrier to entry and only serves to help the larger corporations and harms smaller businesses. The alternative in a Free Market these things wouldn't exist helping the poor.

I expect licenses would exist in a free market.  They have a place there as a certification of quality or skill.  The government just takes things to extremes, like needing a license to arrange flowers.  

Maybe but I call those things certificates, I really don't see a trade school issuing licenses. I could be wrong, but if I am the substance of the argument stands id est I don't need permission to do anything with myself or my property.


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: MAM on November 19, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
How is a presentation on ancap appropriate for a business communications class? I could understand for a poli sci or econ class, but...

Understanding economics is important in business, especially Austrian economics instead of that Keynesian shit.

Keynes didn't understand economics...


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on November 19, 2012, 10:50:08 PM
Licenses: A licenses is asking permission to do X and is essentially a shake down of the individual, this creates a barrier to entry and only serves to help the larger corporations and harms smaller businesses. The alternative in a Free Market these things wouldn't exist helping the poor.

I expect licenses would exist in a free market.  They have a place there as a certification of quality or skill.  The government just takes things to extremes, like needing a license to arrange flowers.  

Maybe but I call those things certificates, I really don't see a trade school issuing licenses. I could be wrong, but if I am the substance of the argument stands id est I don't need permission to do anything with myself or my property.
Do you realize how radical you sound?! You're saying you should own yourself. That's, like, almost the same thing as saying you shouldn't be a slave!


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: MAM on November 19, 2012, 11:14:13 PM
Licenses: A licenses is asking permission to do X and is essentially a shake down of the individual, this creates a barrier to entry and only serves to help the larger corporations and harms smaller businesses. The alternative in a Free Market these things wouldn't exist helping the poor.

I expect licenses would exist in a free market.  They have a place there as a certification of quality or skill.  The government just takes things to extremes, like needing a license to arrange flowers.  

Maybe but I call those things certificates, I really don't see a trade school issuing licenses. I could be wrong, but if I am the substance of the argument stands id est I don't need permission to do anything with myself or my property.
Do you realize how radical you sound?! You're saying you should own yourself. That's, like, almost the same thing as saying you shouldn't be a slave!
Unfortunately you are not the first person to say that. I know you're joking but they weren't it's sad.


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: Rothbardian on November 20, 2012, 04:20:38 PM
Licenses: A licenses is asking permission to do X and is essentially a shake down of the individual, this creates a barrier to entry and only serves to help the larger corporations and harms smaller businesses. The alternative in a Free Market these things wouldn't exist helping the poor.

I expect licenses would exist in a free market.  They have a place there as a certification of quality or skill.  The government just takes things to extremes, like needing a license to arrange flowers.  

Maybe but I call those things certificates, I really don't see a trade school issuing licenses. I could be wrong, but if I am the substance of the argument stands id est I don't need permission to do anything with myself or my property.
Do you realize how radical you sound?! You're saying you should own yourself. That's, like, almost the same thing as saying you shouldn't be a slave!
Unfortunately you are not the first person to say that. I know you're joking but they weren't it's sad.
I see licenses existing in a free market; however, they would be a little different. For example, you could perform heart surgery without a medical license, with consent of your patient, of course. BUT, very few would allow you to perform such a surgery on them, and you wouldn't be able to find employment, because you aren't professionally accredited with a license. Licenses are reasonable, in a free market, as a means to discriminate between who is qualified, and who is not. (And also who is allowed to operate on the property of private companies).


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: BobRobertson on November 21, 2012, 09:08:14 AM
Licenses are reasonable, in a free market, as a means to discriminate between who is qualified, and who is not. (And also who is allowed to operate on the property of private companies).

A license is granted by the state. A certification is earned privately.

Call it what you will. Without a state granting them, they're certifications.


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: Rothbardian on November 21, 2012, 06:49:15 PM
Licenses are reasonable, in a free market, as a means to discriminate between who is qualified, and who is not. (And also who is allowed to operate on the property of private companies).

A license is granted by the state.
???

This isn't in the definition of license: "A permit from an authority to own or use something, do a particular thing, or carry on a trade." An authority isn't necessarily the state: there are private authorities as well.


Title: Re: An-Cap Presentation
Post by: Syock on November 22, 2012, 08:59:31 AM
Licenses are reasonable, in a free market, as a means to discriminate between who is qualified, and who is not. (And also who is allowed to operate on the property of private companies).

A license is granted by the state.
???

This isn't in the definition of license: "A permit from an authority to own or use something, do a particular thing, or carry on a trade." An authority isn't necessarily the state: there are private authorities as well.

Yup, the driving school would give you the certificate.  The road company would give you permission (license) to use its roads.