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Title: Pacifism
Post by: MAM on November 04, 2012, 09:05:06 PM
Are there any pacifists among us?

Also does pacifism have merit to anyone?

To me it's a silly position, it's an idealistic philosophy that exists only if other people aren't assholes.

Anyway thoughts?


Title: Re: Pacifism
Post by: Syock on November 04, 2012, 09:32:03 PM
Anyway thoughts?

Victims.


Title: Re: Pacifism
Post by: Seth King on November 04, 2012, 10:50:12 PM
I have a soft spot in my heart for pacifism. I think in general I would rather err on the side of pacifism than violence. But at the end of the day I'm not a pacifist. All I have to do is imagine some scenarios where I would be put to the test, and at the end of the day I don't see how pacifism is the right option, or the one I would choose.

That being said you want to make sure you don't cause more harm in the attempt to ward off an aggressor than would have been sustained through pacifism.

Also, strategy comes into play as well. I think as a strategy pacifism is great. Ghandi specifically spoke against pacifism as a strategy. I also have a soft spot for Ghandi, but ultimately his philosophy was anathema to human nature. And I think a philosophy that is incongruent with human nature is doomed to fail.



Title: Re: Pacifism
Post by: MAM on November 04, 2012, 11:17:01 PM
I have a soft spot in my heart for pacifism. I think in general I would rather err on the side of pacifism than violence. But at the end of the day I'm not a pacifist. All I have to do is imagine some scenarios where I would be put to the test, and at the end of the day I don't see how pacifism is the right option, or the one I would choose.

That being said you want to make sure you don't cause more harm in the attempt to ward off an aggressor than would have been sustained through pacifism.

Also, strategy comes into play as well. I think as a strategy pacifism is great. Ghandi specifically spoke against pacifism as a strategy. I also have a soft spot for Ghandi, but ultimately his philosophy was anathema to human nature. And I think a philosophy that is incongruent with human nature is doomed to fail.



We call one of those philosophies Socialism.


Title: Re: Pacifism
Post by: MAM on November 04, 2012, 11:22:25 PM
Also I would like to be a pacifist myself, but it's not going to happen because people just won't leave me alone...