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Title: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: assasin7 on June 27, 2012, 02:10:55 PM
http://libcom.org/files/Class%20War%20Comix%20-%20Clifford%20Harper.pdf


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Hanzo on June 27, 2012, 04:06:23 PM
And it will only take the violent deaths of millions of people to achieve this paradise. Communism historically works. There are no shortages. Cooperatives don't exist because of the capitalist system. Kill capitalism or it will kill you. yadayada...


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: SinCityVoluntaryist on June 27, 2012, 04:29:57 PM
 God, enough with the communist shit. It's really getting on my last nerve, and I'm pretty zen like guys with other people.


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Hanzo on June 27, 2012, 04:32:25 PM
God, enough with the communist shit. It's really getting on my last nerve, and I'm pretty zen like guys with other people.
Communism works both in theory and practice. Just read libcom, they know all.


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: assasin7 on June 27, 2012, 06:14:53 PM
And it will only take the violent deaths of millions of people to achieve this paradise. Communism historically works. There are no shortages. Cooperatives don't exist because of the capitalist system. Kill capitalism or it will kill you. yadayada...

Yea, and I'll be eating bacon:

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01336/greece-riots-embed_1336525a.jpg)


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Kinglord of Castle Manufactoria on June 27, 2012, 07:26:39 PM
http://libcom.org/files/Class%20War%20Comix%20-%20Clifford%20Harper.pdf

"Mediocrity the Comic" over here.


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: assasin7 on June 27, 2012, 07:47:17 PM
Those are types that will die: cops, soldiers, corporatists, fascists and politicians


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Syock on June 29, 2012, 09:21:30 AM
Those are types that will die: cops, soldiers, corporatists, fascists and politicians

You think those are the only ones that will die?  You consider those acceptable losses?

Edit:  I just started looking at the pdf and already see a problem.  The naked guy is suppose to be in Britian, and says it is another perfect sunny day.  I must already question this entire comic for such an oversight.   :D


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: assasin7 on June 29, 2012, 10:27:59 AM
I won't bother people if they don't bother me. People whos job it is to kill and destroy, yes of course

Hey, most depictions of commie land are rainy, its symbolism


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Syock on June 29, 2012, 11:08:56 AM
I won't bother people if they don't bother me. People whos job it is to kill and destroy, yes of course

Hey, most depictions of commie land are rainy, its symbolism

Actually I believe you will.  What if your commune decides that my home or company belongs to you?  We will have problems very quickly.  As at that point I would see your group as the ones coming to me to kill and destroy.  


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: assasin7 on June 29, 2012, 11:05:02 PM
I won't bother people if they don't bother me. People whos job it is to kill and destroy, yes of course

Hey, most depictions of commie land are rainy, its symbolism

Actually I believe you will.  What if your commune decides that my home or company belongs to you?  We will have problems very quickly.  As at that point I would see your group as the ones coming to me to kill and destroy.  
It would run on consensus democracy, so you would have to agree to it and personal property is considered sacred


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Syock on June 29, 2012, 11:22:20 PM
How do you settle this seemingly peaceful organization, which you could do right now, and the one where you would be killing people that disagreed with you?

Unfortunately I have only been back to this site for a few hours.  I haven't had time to look through and remember how you view things to give a more specific question. 


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: assasin7 on June 30, 2012, 09:31:10 AM
How do you settle this seemingly peaceful organization, which you could do right now, and the one where you would be killing people that disagreed with you?

Unfortunately I have only been back to this site for a few hours.  I haven't had time to look through and remember how you view things to give a more specific question. 

I don't understand the question and I will be gone after today for a week, so please remind me to answer then.


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Aegidius on June 30, 2012, 10:50:30 AM
Killing people that disagree with you is the fastest way to achieve consensus, I guess.


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Syock on June 30, 2012, 11:40:57 AM
Killing people that disagree with you is the fastest way to achieve consensus, I guess.

Haha, indeed, it would be.


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: assasin7 on June 30, 2012, 02:48:44 PM
Killing people that disagree with you is the fastest way to achieve consensus, I guess.

but its also immoral


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Syock on June 30, 2012, 03:18:33 PM
That is exactly why I asked the question. 



Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Script on July 02, 2012, 04:32:24 AM
Dude, assasin7, I've started to come around to your point of view.  I found this new an-comm writer who is totally brilliant.  He destroys the idea of capitalism and the necessity of developing capital, and deconstructs ancap property rights in explicit detail.  You can find his master piece here:

"Forging a Unique Comprehensive Karma: Anarchist Negations of Capital, Oligarchy and MoneyS" (http://mises.org/books/newliberty.pdf)


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Syock on July 02, 2012, 05:50:07 AM
That is a great read Script.  Everyone should read that one. 


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: assasin7 on July 05, 2012, 09:34:40 PM
Dude, assasin7, I've started to come around to your point of view.  I found this new an-comm writer who is totally brilliant.  He destroys the idea of capitalism and the necessity of developing capital, and deconstructs ancap property rights in explicit detail.  You can find his master piece here:

"Forging a Unique Comprehensive Karma: Anarchist Negations of Capital, Oligarchy and MoneyS" (http://mises.org/books/newliberty.pdf)

You have the wrong quote this is the one where he destroys property:


Let us illustrate with a hypothetical example. Suppose that libertarian agitation and pressure has escalated to such a point that the government and its various branches are ready to abdicate. But they engineer a cunning ruse. Just before the government of New York state abdicates it passes a law turning over the entire territorial area of New York to become the private property of the Rockefeller family. The Massachusetts legislature does the same for the Kennedy family. And so on for each state. The government could then abdicate and decree the abolition of taxes and coercive legislation, but the victorious libertarians would now be confronted with a dilemma. Do they recognize the new property titles as legitimately private property? The utilitarians, who have no theory of justice in property rights, would, if they were consistent with their acceptance of given property titles as decreed by government, have to accept a new social order in which fifty new satraps would be collecting taxes in the form of unilaterally imposed "rent." The point is that only natural-rights libertarians, only those libertarians who have a theory of justice in property titles that does not depend on government decree, could be in a position to scoff at the new rulers' claims to have private property in the territory of the country, and to rebuff these claims as invalid.

Get rid of the first part about the government and you have my critique of property, it is statism.


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Syock on July 05, 2012, 09:45:16 PM
You didn't click the link.


Dude, assasin7, I've started to come around to your point of view.  I found this new an-comm writer who is totally brilliant.  He destroys the idea of capitalism and the necessity of developing capital, and deconstructs ancap property rights in explicit detail.  You can find his master piece here:

"Forging a Unique Comprehensive Karma: Anarchist Negations of Capital, Oligarchy and MoneyS" (http://mises.org/books/newliberty.pdf)

You have the wrong quote this is the one where he destroys property:


Let us illustrate with a hypothetical example. Suppose that libertarian agitation and pressure has escalated to such a point that the government and its various branches are ready to abdicate. But they engineer a cunning ruse. Just before the government of New York state abdicates it passes a law turning over the entire territorial area of New York to become the private property of the Rockefeller family. The Massachusetts legislature does the same for the Kennedy family. And so on for each state. The government could then abdicate and decree the abolition of taxes and coercive legislation, but the victorious libertarians would now be confronted with a dilemma. Do they recognize the new property titles as legitimately private property? The utilitarians, who have no theory of justice in property rights, would, if they were consistent with their acceptance of given property titles as decreed by government, have to accept a new social order in which fifty new satraps would be collecting taxes in the form of unilaterally imposed "rent." The point is that only natural-rights libertarians, only those libertarians who have a theory of justice in property titles that does not depend on government decree, could be in a position to scoff at the new rulers' claims to have private property in the territory of the country, and to rebuff these claims as invalid.

Get rid of the first part about the government and you have my critique of property, it is statism.


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: MAM on July 05, 2012, 11:31:44 PM
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You didn't click the link.

No he didn't


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: JustSayNoToStatism on July 05, 2012, 11:38:35 PM
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You didn't click the link.

No he didn't
He isn't here to learn from you. He isn't even here to debate with you. He just wants your attention, and he knows that making up some bullshit is a good way to elicit a response. He's like a rat pushing a lever, and you're giving him the cocaine. It sounds a bit harsh, but he's a "Sr. Member" now. So he's seen all the arguments, dodged them, and will continue copy+pasting until he wears you out. Might as well just quit now.


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: MAM on July 05, 2012, 11:41:07 PM
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You didn't click the link.

No he didn't
He isn't here to learn from you. He isn't even here to debate with you. He just wants your attention, and he knows that making up some bullshit is a good way to elicit a response. He's like a rat pushing a lever, and you're giving him the cocaine. It sounds a bit harsh, but he's a "Sr. Member" now. So he's seen all the arguments, dodged them, and will continue copy+pasting until he wears you out. Might as well just quit now.

I must yield to your wisdom.


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Script on July 07, 2012, 10:57:21 PM
Sadly, everyone seems to have missed the acronym.


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: MAM on July 08, 2012, 12:35:26 AM
Sadly, everyone seems to have missed the acronym.

Hahaha Indeed.


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: Syock on July 08, 2012, 04:09:33 AM
I suspected something by the capital S at the end, but I never bothered to look.  The response from Assassin kept throwing me into wtf mode. 


Title: Re: life in a post revolutionary anarcho communist society
Post by: victim77 on July 08, 2012, 10:50:41 PM
I like the idea of co-ops and worker owned factories, but fuck if I want to live in a purely communist society. I want to be more independent.