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« on: December 11, 2012, 03:38:10 PM »

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/therapist-who-shunned-her-family-disciplined-by-college-of-psychologists/article4846791/

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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2012, 03:40:06 PM »

 I've always said that I disagree heavily with Stefan's psychotherapy. Yes, parents make mistakes. However, shunning them out of your life (or defooing as he calls it) just seems way too extreme to me.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2012, 03:43:52 PM »

LOL to bad it's his wife and not that bastard himself...


This is what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass.
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2012, 04:03:47 PM »

This is what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass.

"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!"

Anyway, that's too bad and all, but honestly it's a dumb concept. Just because a couple has a bad relationship with their parents, is no reason to tell everyone to shun their own. And I don't feel like She should be brought up on any sort of charge; if these folks are dumb enough to leave their families because some folks on the internet said they should, they probably don't have the best relationship with them anyway.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2012, 04:11:35 PM »

^That is a very good point. Now, I agree that someone should shun their family if they're abusive. If you were beaten or verbally abused most of your life, then you should get out by all means. However, Stefan seems to think that all parents who don't believe in the libertarian philosophy are bad.
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2012, 04:16:42 PM »

Exactly. That mindset is INSANELY dangerous. That how republicans view democrats and how democrats view republicans. Once you get into that mentality, you're just as bad as them.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2012, 04:27:53 PM »

I don't think she's being brought up on charges. Only reprimands from her board, which sadly, can prevent her from having the license to be a therapist. So, without that license she could be criminally charged for practicing without permission.

This is pretty much a non-article in my mind. The overtly statist therapy board doesn't like free-thinking or free-speech? SHOCKER!

Nope, they like their monopoly and they're not going to tolerate therapists who challenge the state, or the modern parenting that raises so many obedient statists.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2012, 04:38:30 PM »

^See, and I agree with that standpoint. Parenting does (and can) raise the wrong mindset. I fully agree with that point of view. My parents raised me to have my own mind, and that's one of the reasons why I'm here. At the same time, though, I just don't see shunning them as the right thing to do. Ya dig?
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2012, 04:47:58 PM »

^See, and I agree with that standpoint. Parenting does (and can) raise the wrong mindset. I fully agree with that point of view. My parents raised me to have my own mind, and that's one of the reasons why I'm here. At the same time, though, I just don't see shunning them as the right thing to do. Ya dig?

Why would you shun them? If they were bastards, sure, but if you love them and enjoy their company why would you shun them? I don't think that is her position, to shun all parents.

But there are a TON of shitty parents out there. I'm of the mindset that just because a person is blood doesn't entitle them to your company, ever.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2012, 07:36:47 PM »

Frankly I'm bias I hate Stefan...
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2012, 07:41:49 PM »

NO, NO, NO. I apologize, Seth. I worded my last post completely wrong. I wasn't trying to say that I wanted to shun my parents. I don't know why I said that. I was doing something else and got completely lost in my train of thought.
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2012, 07:42:36 PM »

MAM, what, out of pure curiousity, don't you like about Stefan? I only ask because he's pretty much become the unelected leader of the an-caps.
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2012, 08:06:53 PM »

MAM, what, out of pure curiousity, don't you like about Stefan? I only ask because he's pretty much become the unelected leader of the an-caps.

Is this so? Maybe it's time I pray for the movement even though I don't believe in deities.

1. deFoofing (WTF is this? Terrible name not only is the idea terrible but the name? My god -10 points for style)
2. I hate pop psychology
3. He reminds me of a cult leader

4. Imagine this: A young kid is experiencing an intellectual renaissance he discovers Mises and Rothbard. And starts looking on-line for videos. He comes across the great Stef bot. His parents aren't Voluntaryist so he "defoofs" them so the first introduction to voluntaryism that the parents get is "I can't associate with you because you aren't voluntaryists and my cult leader says so.."

If that doesn't hurt the cause what does...

5. His stance on the martial arts and when he said "It's a useless skill" seriously? Are you fucking kidding me? How naive is he?

6. I've watched a few of videos. And what I saw that wasn't standard philosophy was frankly bullshit. He said in video and this stuck with me "every  serial killer in existence was abused as a child". Okay this is such a stretch and I don't believe it for a second but for the sake of argument let's say that it's true.

What about all the people who were abused as children that didn't become serial killers?

How is abuse defined anyway?

7. His video about parenting and maybe I missed something but it actually seemed like he was suggesting that one should negotiate with your child! Sorry seen that up close and personal not an effective tactic if you want your child to be anything more than a spoiled monster.

8. His liberal use of Stats sorry but stats and surveys have an agenda behind them it is evident in the questions they ask that are fishing for answers. Point is any argument that relies on stats is a losing one in my book. (this is what makes me think he is an imbecile. I don't hate him for this)


There it is in  a nutshell I'm sure I forgot a few things.

EDIT I suppose what bothers me the most about him is that he is a large voice in the movement and I don't think he is a good representative of the philosophy.
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2012, 08:47:20 PM »

Well, they're just proving Stefan's point--society values an accident of birth over virtue.  Which is one of the reasons he's working to undo the acceptance of force and coercion within the family.  Its just training for statism.

And for the record, I'm still amazed that there are people on this board that believe Stefan and his wife advocate cutting off ties with your family if they don't agree with you on everything.  He's never said that, and you know it.  Or you don't, and you're arguing from a place of complete ignorance.
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2012, 08:53:38 PM »

I agree with pretty much everything MAM said, but I still like Molyneux. He's very articulate and a deep thinker and has converted a lot of people to voluntaryism. I'm sure there's an explanation behind the word deFOOing, which obviously wasn't explained and taken out of context in the article for sensationalism. As far as the practice goes, I'm still a fan of the idea, at least in theory. I've essentially deFOOed most of my friends. I never went as far as to write my friends a letter and tell them I never want to speak to them again, or anything like that, but I've essentially weened them from my life to the point where they might as well be complete strangers to me, not on talking terms or anything. If we did meet again(unlikely) I would be cordial, but I'm not going out of my way to keep the friendship going.

I think it's a good strategy to shun statists. Actually, I think it's a strategy libertarians should take in the New Hampshire State House. For example, there's talk about secession. I think officially seceding from the United States Federal Government would be a mistake, because then the feds are just going to declare war, kill or imprison every state politician that voted for secession, and install a puppet government. And then if the state retaliates by raising a state army, you're talking about taxes and all sorts of unlibertarian things happening.

But instead of officially seceding, they simply stop enforcing all federal laws, state laws etc. sure the feds may come in and raid some pot farmers or something, but without the help of the state, they are essentially understaffed and underpowered. So, the state should just turn the other cheek when the feds come in, because there's no chance of sanctions on THE WHOLE STATE that way. But if the state secedes then the feds have a reason to blockade, drop bombs, all sorts of things.

Kind of off topic, but parents should be seen as feds. You don't have to officially renounce them, but simply get a life that has nothing to do with them. In the few instances you do spend with them, make it clear where you stand philosophically to the point where they can't stand having you around anyways. This is of course if your parents are statists. If they're libertarians, or have the potential to be libertarians, then there's no reason not to keep working on them.


Perhaps Molyneux doesn't realize this, but I've basically come to the conclusion that once a person hits the age of 40, the likelihood of them having a paradigm shift is almost zero. It does happen, for sure, but it happens so rarely that putting our efforts into trying to convert 40+ year olds is a waste of time. I'd really say that 30 is sort of the cut off line. If a person is 35 and close to you in a personal way, there is hope. But if they're 35 and a stranger, you're not going to be able to reach them. In order for a 40 + year old person to have a paradigm shift they probably need to experience some sort of trauma. Trauma that affects them so deeply that their lives are so uncomfortable that they have to re examine things. But seeing as how that almost never happens, they're usually stuck in their ways. And don't even get me started with 50+. They are totally lost causes.

The scary thing is that sooooooooo many youths today are blinded by socialism, that the long-term outlook for the world is pretty bad. I mean leftism is really ingrained, socially, in the younger generation, that I don't know it's going to take for them to snap out of it.

Pretty much my only hope for the world is Bitcoin. It could be the magic bullet that saves the day. I have noticed that Bitcoin has a tendency to force people to re examine their preconceived notions about market economics. Time will tell.
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