Thought's on wage slavery and domination

[JustSayNoToStatism]

This is something I do understand:

claim 1: A company wants to make money

claim 2: When a company does well it fires workers and replaces them with automated machines

claim 3: this allows them to sell more products, lower costs, undercutting the competition.

claim 5: the competition goes under, firing workers

result: the system collapses because all work is automated, so their are no consumers to buy procucts

this is what caused the financial melt down.

Areyoudoinitrite? No. Claims have to be backed. 2 is wrong (and unsupported), 3 is not a claim, it's an incorrect result due to an incorrect premise. Claim 4 disappeared magically, claim 5 is an incorrect result that can be traced all the way back to claim 2 being wrong. The "result" and your commentary below it make no sense. All work became automated, and that somehow caused a financial crisis? All work isn't automated, and it has little to do with financial services. I'm sorry, but you just embarrassed yourself in front of this community in a really bad way. You need to quit typing, and start reading.

[dpalme]

I was quoting an article from libcom, I didn't read it.

Hah!

[Iwalt]

Mhm.

I think the world of work is another in the future. The german state pursue something what is called "self employment in pretense" that mean someone has no contract of labor and has declared his self employment but works for only one client, often his former employer.
He does the same work but without contract of labor and the employer save the costs and risks of an employee.

I think there is a need for something like that.

I started to produce some furniture last year and have a little workshop in a garage. My company is a start-up. If I want someone to help me I must find an employee and I must give him a contract of labor. But I can't. I don't know the time I can hold an employee, it's able that I have only one order where I need help...

So it would better, if I can call someone to help me (legal) for just one order. Without a cancelation period, without vacation entitlement, without minimum wage. That would help me to expand my start up. If I want that now, I must employ a clandestine worker.

I think the companies of the future have a flat hierarchy. All workers are freelancers which team up to work on projects. The leaders are people with experience or/and with money. Some companies would grow with crowd-funding....and so on.

The classical boss<->worker relation is inefficient for work in the future in my opinion.
The work of the future is more intellectual and creative than physical. The machines do the physical work.

There are ways to liberate the humanity from many physical work. You know the "Venus project"?

Not the economic theory, but the technical solutions for the living on our planet are fascinating!

Well, that evolution must be done by the "workers"...they must start to work free....and liberate themself.

There is no freedom without risk.  

[Syock]

Mhm.

I think the world of work is another in the future. The german state pursue something what is called "self employment in pretense" that mean someone has no contract of labor and has declared his self employment but works for only one client, often his former employer.
He does the same work but without contract of labor and the employer save the costs and risks of an employee.

I think there is a need for something like that.

I started to produce some furniture last year and have a little workshop in a garage. My company is a start-up. If I want someone to help me I must find an employee and I must give him a contract of labor. But I can't. I don't know the time I can hold an employee, it's able that I have only one order where I need help...

So it would better, if I can call someone to help me (legal) for just one order. Without a cancelation period, without vacation entitlement, without minimum wage. That would help me to expand my start up. If I want that now, I must employ a clandestine worker.

I think the companies of the future have a flat hierarchy. All workers are freelancers which team up to work on projects. The leaders are people with experience or/and with money. Some companies would grow with crowd-funding....and so on.

The classical boss<->worker relation is inefficient for work in the future in my opinion.
The work of the future is more intellectual and creative than physical. The machines do the physical work.

There are ways to liberate the humanity from many physical work. You know the "Venus project"?

Not the economic theory, but the technical solutions for the living on our planet are fascinating!

Well, that evolution must be done by the "workers"...they must start to work free....and liberate themself.

There is no freedom without risk.  

There is no need for a clandestine worker.  The paradigm you are looking for is called a contractor. 

[State-God]

I don't remember who said it on here, but I think it makes a good point: if the totalitarian structure doesn't work in government, why would it work in business?

Long run I think that worker-run companies might be more efficient, and makerbot and stuff like it might even make that outdated. But the current relationship does work, even if it's far from the most efficient.

[MAM]

I don't remember who said it on here, but I think it makes a good point: if the totalitarian structure doesn't work in government, why would it work in business?

Long run I think that worker-run companies might be more efficient, and makerbot and stuff like it might even make that outdated. But the current relationship does work, even if it's far from the most efficient.

I don't think so commanding by consensus is not efficient. There is only battlefield commander for a reason. Same applies here.

[State-God]

I don't remember who said it on here, but I think it makes a good point: if the totalitarian structure doesn't work in government, why would it work in business?

Long run I think that worker-run companies might be more efficient, and makerbot and stuff like it might even make that outdated. But the current relationship does work, even if it's far from the most efficient.

I don't think so commanding by consensus is not efficient. There is only battlefield commander for a reason. Same applies here.

Wasn't my point. My point, only, was that the current business structure might very well disappear without a State to fall back on for bailouts and support against unions.

[MAM]

I don't remember who said it on here, but I think it makes a good point: if the totalitarian structure doesn't work in government, why would it work in business?

Long run I think that worker-run companies might be more efficient, and makerbot and stuff like it might even make that outdated. But the current relationship does work, even if it's far from the most efficient.

I don't think so commanding by consensus is not efficient. There is only battlefield commander for a reason. Same applies here.

Wasn't my point. My point, only, was that the current business structure might very well disappear without a State to fall back on for bailouts and support against unions.

I'm not sure what you are calling the current structure... What exactly are you defining as the current structure?


Also unions exist in large part do to State protections.

[Syock]

Well, I guess we will find out what happens when we go ahead and try it.