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[Coltan L.]

Its not voluntary if I can starve you and you can't starve me. Thats like saying a trade between a schizo and a healthy person is voluntary.

I demand the right to the ability to starve my employer! For Freedom!

That shit's in the Constitution, or the Manifesto, or I heard it on a Molyneux video.  Somewhere.  Point is its totally a Right bra! (Capital R, motherfucker.)

[JustSayNoToStatism]

rape

Okay, so in this one specific case your point makes sense, vacuously.

drugs

User's fault.

death of the father

A risk you take if you don't buy life insurance.

sexism in hiring

This is not a response to what I wrote.

social pressure (which isn't easy to resist your a white middle class jock)

Social pressure? That is, persuasion? So still voluntary.

poor sex ed

Doesn't change the fact that the sex was voluntary.

failed protection

Risk taken voluntarily. If they really cared, they'd use 2 forms of protection at once.

[Coltan L.]

Risk taken voluntarily. If they really cared, they'd use 2 forms of protection at once.

But not 2 condoms at the same time. That does the opposite of work.

Unless,I suppose you're doing some creative stuff with multiple dudes.

[Script]

Property is slavery of man to his needs. If I'm going to starve if I don't work, then I'm a slave to the owner of property,

What happens if you are transported to the middle of a jungle.  You don't work, you will starve.  Who is coercing you at that point? 

What you seem to not understand is that starvation is the state of nature that man finds himself in.  Demanding that someone else prevent you from starving is demanding that someone else work to sustain you.  That's a form of slavery.

[JustSayNoToStatism]

Property is slavery of man to his needs. If I'm going to starve if I don't work, then I'm a slave to the owner of property,

What happens if you are transported to the middle of a jungle.  You don't work, you will starve.  Who is coercing you at that point? 

What you seem to not understand is that starvation is the state of nature that man finds himself in.  Demanding that someone else prevent you from starving is demanding that someone else work to sustain you.  That's a form of slavery.

^This is what I've wanted to say, but have been unable to put so concisely. Nice.

[assasin7]

Property is slavery of man to his needs. If I'm going to starve if I don't work, then I'm a slave to the owner of property,

What happens if you are transported to the middle of a jungle.  You don't work, you will starve.  Who is coercing you at that point? 

What you seem to not understand is that starvation is the state of nature that man finds himself in.  Demanding that someone else prevent you from starving is demanding that someone else work to sustain you.  That's a form of slavery.

Yes, but property makes it easier to starve. In the jungle, their is no property, so I just have to pluck fruit off the vine and eat it.

[Script]

Property is slavery of man to his needs. If I'm going to starve if I don't work, then I'm a slave to the owner of property,

What happens if you are transported to the middle of a jungle.  You don't work, you will starve.  Who is coercing you at that point? 

What you seem to not understand is that starvation is the state of nature that man finds himself in.  Demanding that someone else prevent you from starving is demanding that someone else work to sustain you.  That's a form of slavery.

Yes, but property makes it easier to starve. In the jungle, their is no property, so I just have to pluck fruit off the vine and eat it.

It's not quite that easy to survive in a jungle.

Property has allowed mankind to move up from the primitive hunter-gatherer stages of our ancestors to the modern economy.  Private property correctly aligns mankind's natural incentives of self-preservation to be compatible with his neighbors.

In the real jungle you cannot simply pluck fruit and survive.

In the real world you cannot simply depend on others to take care of you your whole life.

[assasin7]

I didn't mean that literally. But if in the jungle A says to B, this is my land, and if you want to pick fruit you have to pay me some of the fruit, A has every right to say, screw off I'm picking fruit. Now A will have to find a way to enforce his property, so A gets together a bunch of people and calls them, law enforcers, and B is forced, by the LE's to respect A's authority. That is how the state began I think.

[JustSayNoToStatism]

Yes, but property makes it easier to starve. In the jungle, their is no property, so I just have to pluck fruit off the vine and eat it.

Tragic misunderstanding of human history. Property makes it easier to survive. That's why people started making tools (capital goods).