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[assasin7]

Its not voluntary if I can starve you and you can't starve me. Thats like saying a trade between a schizo and a healthy person is voluntary.

[assasin7]

Were they good jobs, or starvation wages.

[Kinglord of Castle Manufactoria]

Its not voluntary if I can starve you and you can't starve me. Thats like saying a trade between a schizo and a healthy person is voluntary.

I don't discriminate against people with schizophrenia.
If the trade features 2 parties, agreeing to trade A for B, it is voluntary.

[JustSayNoToStatism]

Its not voluntary if I can starve you and you can't starve me. Thats like saying a trade between a schizo and a healthy person is voluntary.

I don't discriminate against people with schizophrenia.
If the trade features 2 parties, agreeing to trade A for B, it is voluntary.

^You just used commie strategy against him. Make sure to use some words that have very negative connotations to prove your point. He's "discriminating" against schizophrenic people, and is therefore a racist and probably hates babies and puppies and attends KK K meetings. Therefore, anarcho-leftism fails. QED.

(Obviously you didn't actually use it in this manner, so I'm exaggerating by 1000%, but I still find it funny).

[Kinglord of Castle Manufactoria]

^You just used commie strategy against him. Make sure to use some words that have very negative connotations to prove your point. He's "discriminating" against schizophrenic people, and is therefore a racist and probably hates babies and puppies and attends KK K meetings. Therefore, anarcho-leftism fails. QED.

(Obviously you didn't actually use it in this manner, so I'm exaggerating by 1000%, but I still find it funny).

I don't know what you're talking about(don't mess this up for me). I certainly wouldn't use their own magic spells against them(seriously, I don't think he's noticed yet). Just because left anarchists clearly kick puppies, abort babies in mass and are definitely fans of David Duke and his white hooded knights doesn't mean I'd resort to their tricks.

[assasin7]

Its not voluntary if I can starve you and you can't starve me. Thats like saying a trade between a schizo and a healthy person is voluntary.

I don't discriminate against people with schizophrenia.
If the trade features 2 parties, agreeing to trade A for B, it is voluntary.

If A has kids who will starve if he doesn't get work soon, and B has a huge factory, then no its not voluntary.

[assasin7]

Its not voluntary if I can starve you and you can't starve me. Thats like saying a trade between a schizo and a healthy person is voluntary.

I don't discriminate against people with schizophrenia.

Neither do I but its not voluntary if their is a lack of rationalism on one side. Theirs a difference between me trading an Iced Tea for a Coke and Steve Jobs forcing people to work or starve

[Kinglord of Castle Manufactoria]

So in theory, I shouldn't trade with socialists, christians or other religious nuts because I don't think they're rational?

Shit's voluntary brosef. Since we're not using evidence or logic here.
I assert that the sky in fact green and all monetary transactions are voluntary forever.

[assasin7]

So in theory, I shouldn't trade with socialists, christians or other religious nuts because I don't think they're rational?

Shit's voluntary brosef. Since we're not using evidence or logic here.
I assert that the sky in fact green and all monetary transactions are voluntary forever.

Rational relating to the issue your dealing with. If I trick a Christian into giving me money because Jesus said so, thats wrong. But if I pay a Christian to drive me to Hong Kong from NYC, that's not, though it would be stupid, if he believed that he could drive on water that would be fraud.

[xphoenix]

If A has kids who will starve if he doesn't get work soon, and B has a huge factory, then no its not voluntary.

Also:

Voluntary:
done, made, brought about, undertaken, etc., of one's own accord or by free choice

Just because one party is in a bad situation doesn't mean the action isn't voluntary. The worker has two options - 1) let his children starve or 2) work at the factory and receive wages to feed them.

What if there is no factory and the family is starving with no options whatsoever? Are you saying that the addition of the factory to the equation which will enable the choice to be made also causes one of those choices to be involuntary? Where is the force, coercion, or imposition of will in this scenario? The worker is choosing (of his own free will) to trade his time for wages to feed his children.

[JustSayNoToStatism]

Its not voluntary if I can starve you and you can't starve me. Thats like saying a trade between a schizo and a healthy person is voluntary.

I don't discriminate against people with schizophrenia.
If the trade features 2 parties, agreeing to trade A for B, it is voluntary.

If A has kids who will starve if he doesn't get work soon, and B has a huge factory, then no its not voluntary.

Was the decision to fuck when you can't afford kids a voluntary one?

[Kinglord of Castle Manufactoria]

Was the decision to fuck when you can't afford kids a voluntary one?

Right to the core issue.

[assasin7]

Its not voluntary if I can starve you and you can't starve me. Thats like saying a trade between a schizo and a healthy person is voluntary.

I don't discriminate against people with schizophrenia.
If the trade features 2 parties, agreeing to trade A for B, it is voluntary.

If A has kids who will starve if he doesn't get work soon, and B has a huge factory, then no its not voluntary.

Was the decision to fuck when you can't afford kids a voluntary one?

wow, I don't know where to begin, but lets go.

rape

drugs

death of the father

sexism in hiring

social pressure (which isn't easy to resist your a white middle class jock)

poor sex ed

failed protection

need I go on

[Kinglord of Castle Manufactoria]

Clearly our middle class white jock privilege prevents us from using our brains.
I've never taken drugs that lead to me having suddenly having screaming wallet vampires in my house.

Sexism in hiring sucks, but not owning your property sucks more.

in the case of rape, failed protection & social pressure: all three of these can be resolved with adoption/abortion/baby selling/cannibalism.

Death of the father, once again, sucks, but not worth enslaving someone else over.

[assasin7]

I'm a borderline anti natalist, but thats another issue

Property is slavery of man to his needs. If I'm going to starve if I don't work, then I'm a slave to the owner of property, besides your system of ethics is completly black and white, their is no grey area. I was having this arguement in reverse 2 months ago (defending property against these same arguments.)