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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2012, 12:03:02 PM »

Whatever. You can believe what you want. But in the event of collapse, know that we'll all resist your attempts to control us with tooth and nail.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2012, 12:55:12 PM »

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In contrast, Constitutional Federal Republicanism has shown some efficacy at controlling political and miiltary cartels -

Constitutional Federal Republics *are* political/military cartels. The existence of the State apparatus itself is the seed which grows into the problems we see today. Anarchism doesn't plant that seed in the first place.

Wrong, most anarchist simply do not understand that the intended mission of liberal democracy is the intentional decentralization, balancing, limiting and transparency of the elements of political and military power.

In contrast, there is absolute no mechanism to limit, balance, decentralize, or make transparent the elements of political and military power within either statist or anarchist systems.

Indeed, if free markets were so effective at protecting itself from military and political cartels -- then why has it been historically so difficult and bloody for the free market   to remove statists  from power once they gain it Huh

I was watching this video on Cracked yesterday: http://www.cracked.com/video_18444_stuff-that-must-have-happened-first-marriage.html?wa_user1=1&wa_user2=History&wa_user3=video&wa_user4=companion

It's kind of funny, but it also raises an important point, if you think about it: when did early men realize that having sex led to the creation of babies?  There's a nine-month lag between the act and the result, so it surely wasn't very obvious.

What does that have to do with anarchism?  In a similar way, men have been learning about civilization and society and government and politics over a long period of time, yet the ideas of individual freedom and that governments *ought* to protect individual rights was surely not an obvious idea to anybody for the longest time.  Liberal democracies like the United States have merely been the latest political experiment in trying to create and maintain a peaceful, productive, and progressive society.  The idea of a sustainable anarchist society is likewise a relatively new idea in the history of humanity, and thus, is one that has not truly been seriously thought about (by most people, anyway), or actually tried out with that goal in mind. 

Most men once thought it was silly or even impossible for men to fly, too, but obviously, that doesn't mean they were right. Anarchism may well be the next viable political development after liberal democracies have been proven unsuccessful.  Some of us simply don't have to wait that long for the rest of humanity to catch up.


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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2012, 10:19:04 PM »

Replace a over powered government by a limited power government and establish a true free market system. Theres an American constitution. It is meant or a good system, it is the truest free form of society that has so far been written... USE IT.
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2012, 10:43:41 PM »

Replace a over powered government by a limited power government and establish a true free market system. Theres an American constitution. It is meant or a good system, it is the truest free form of society that has so far been written... USE IT.

Social Contract=Stupid

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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2012, 04:24:44 PM »

Replace a over powered government by a limited power government and establish a true free market system. Theres an American constitution. It is meant or a good system, it is the truest free form of society that has so far been written... USE IT.

The only way to establish a true free market system is to have no government.  Anarchism is a form of society that doesn't have to be "written" to use. 

The problem with limited government is that there seems to be no effective way to limit it.  You give some people the legal authority to initiate force against other people, and once you do that, you have little or no power to control or limit what those people do with the power you've given them. 
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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2012, 11:38:01 PM »

Replace a over powered government by a limited power government and establish a true free market system. Theres an American constitution. It is meant or a good system, it is the truest free form of society that has so far been written... USE IT.

The only way to establish a true free market system is to have no government.  Anarchism is a form of society that doesn't have to be "written" to use. 

The problem with limited government is that there seems to be no effective way to limit it.  You give some people the legal authority to initiate force against other people, and once you do that, you have little or no power to control or limit what those people do with the power you've given them. 

I think the key is going to be once the State collapses we don't let another in place. It's so powerful now that we can't do much against it but when it is an infant we can.
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