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« on: May 22, 2012, 12:28:22 PM »

How do anarcho-capitalists respond to urban sprawl?

I was thinking that because most anarcho-capitalists believe in decentralization, they would respond by reccomending that individual communities try to solve the issue.
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 02:12:46 PM »

Pretty much.

Or you could say, "by not setting up centralized systems that encourage it." Then we'll see if it's actually a natural problem, or if it's just state sponsored shit. If the problem dies with the state, do nothing, else figure it out locally.
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 02:40:04 PM »

Pretty much.

Or you could say, "by not setting up centralized systems that encourage it." Then we'll see if it's actually a natural problem, or if it's just state sponsored shit. If the problem dies with the state, do nothing, else figure it out locally.
I actually agree.
By putting power into the communities hands, they can work on smart designs that fit more people (reducing demand for urban sprawl).
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2012, 03:13:44 PM »

What exactly is the problem??  Urban Sprawl isn't necessarily a problem.. If you personally don't like it, get as much property as you can and don't let it happen to your property.

"putting power into the communities hands" isn't an answer, it's just another form of government.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2012, 03:29:36 PM »

What exactly is the problem??  Urban Sprawl isn't necessarily a problem.. If you personally don't like it, get as much property as you can and don't let it happen to your property.

"putting power into the communities hands" isn't an answer, it's just another form of government.
Aside from the obvious ecological damage, there is the obvious problem of this little thing called food.

I know, food is such a small, un-important thing (sarcasm). If strip malls replace the majority of farmland, which they are getting close to doing, there will be not enough food to feed everyone. That creates another very unimportant event called a famine... (more sarcasm)
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2012, 04:19:08 PM »

What exactly is the problem??  Urban Sprawl isn't necessarily a problem.. If you personally don't like it, get as much property as you can and don't let it happen to your property.

"putting power into the communities hands" isn't an answer, it's just another form of government.
Aside from the obvious ecological damage, there is the obvious problem of this little thing called food.

I know, food is such a small, un-important thing (sarcasm). If strip malls replace the majority of farmland, which they are getting close to doing, there will be not enough food to feed everyone. That creates another very unimportant event called a famine... (more sarcasm)

This is a perfect time for Economics in One Lesson. I'm happy that you said you'll read it.
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2012, 05:44:18 PM »

Urban sprawl had several reasons.  People wanted to get out of failed urban systems, cheap oil/energy made the commute practical, cheap land/materials made the houses practical, etc.  Zoning laws and NIMBY attitudes have reinforced it, and kept reintegration of work and living from happening, even though we know enough about environmental controls to eliminate the issues that kept some things from being practical.  No one wants a lead smelter in their "backyard" but if you don't want a long commute  you might not have a choice.  Fortunately, we also have the knowledge to build a lead smelter that's reasonably clean, and people living nearby won't have to worry about kids breathing paint chips instead of eating them.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2012, 06:22:39 PM »

What exactly is the problem??  Urban Sprawl isn't necessarily a problem.. If you personally don't like it, get as much property as you can and don't let it happen to your property.

"putting power into the communities hands" isn't an answer, it's just another form of government.
Aside from the obvious ecological damage, there is the obvious problem of this little thing called food.

I know, food is such a small, un-important thing (sarcasm). If strip malls replace the majority of farmland, which they are getting close to doing, there will be not enough food to feed everyone. That creates another very unimportant event called a famine... (more sarcasm)
Are you in favor of people living in grass huts to prevent ecological damage? (Just curious how far back technologically you would have us go) and as far as food people will grow it to fill the demand not saying that famines won't happen just saying that in a free market people will rise to the occasion.
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2012, 06:57:53 PM »

What exactly is the problem??  Urban Sprawl isn't necessarily a problem.. If you personally don't like it, get as much property as you can and don't let it happen to your property.

"putting power into the communities hands" isn't an answer, it's just another form of government.
Aside from the obvious ecological damage, there is the obvious problem of this little thing called food.

I know, food is such a small, un-important thing (sarcasm). If strip malls replace the majority of farmland, which they are getting close to doing, there will be not enough food to feed everyone. That creates another very unimportant event called a famine... (more sarcasm)
Are you in favor of people living in grass huts to prevent ecological damage? (Just curious how far back technologically you would have us go) and as far as food people will grow it to fill the demand not saying that famines won't happen just saying that in a free market people will rise to the occasion.
Anarcho-Primitivism, and it's favorite partner, deep ecology, have absolutely nothing to do with reasonable thought, and they especially have nothing to do with their ideology. I'm actually kinda confused what made you think I was a primitivist.
Communities are best at preventing ecological damage, property rights (only INDIVIDUAL property rights though) help at reducing pollution and deforestation. But voluntary communities, are the best at preventing urban sprawl.
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2012, 09:31:27 PM »

What exactly is the problem??  Urban Sprawl isn't necessarily a problem.. If you personally don't like it, get as much property as you can and don't let it happen to your property.

"putting power into the communities hands" isn't an answer, it's just another form of government.
Aside from the obvious ecological damage, there is the obvious problem of this little thing called food.

I know, food is such a small, un-important thing (sarcasm). If strip malls replace the majority of farmland, which they are getting close to doing, there will be not enough food to feed everyone. That creates another very unimportant event called a famine... (more sarcasm)

This is a perfect time for Economics in One Lesson. I'm happy that you said you'll read it.
Seth is right here. There is no chance of strip malls taking over land to the point where we cannot eat. Fortunately there exists a thing called price which keeps us from killing ourselves off in this particular way. Even with government meddling, it will work well enough.
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2012, 09:42:58 PM »

You seem to be against industry, that's why I thought you were a primitivist though to be honest I didn't think about it too hard.

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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2012, 10:01:44 AM »

You seem to be against industry, that's why I thought you were a primitivist though to be honest I didn't think about it too hard.


I'm against harmful industry. Industry itself is very important for the human race
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2012, 09:14:25 PM »

I am curious, do you still consider urban sprawl to be a threat to our food supply and environment?
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