Green Anarcho-Capitalism (don't laugh): Can this site save the environment?

[Anonymous Infowarrior]

Maybe this is just another one of my crazy ideas that I keep posting on this forum. But I think this idea has potential, and it doesn't involve large costs, violence, or assassination prediction markets. Here it goes:

What if everyone on this forum donated (voluntarily, the libertarian way) an average of 2 dollars (in bitcoin, of course ) to a fund, run democratically by the users of this site? The money could then be used to buy land in a remote corner of the world, outside of the tyranny of the US (Maybe New Hampshire or a western state, too). The land would be run by the users of the daily anarchist, and would be preserved. Land in the Amazon Rainforest only costs several dollars an acre. With a $100, we could preserve a solid chunk of land, all in the name of the "daily anarchist".

I'm not talking about the scam on the internet where people can "buy" an acre in the rainforest and then are never allowed to use that land. This would be a preserve, and those who donate could visit, and even live on the land. Think of it as voluntary free-market environmentalism in action!

The members of this site can help prove that government isn't necessary to preserve the natural world. If we create a fund to buy land around the world, we can create a place for anarchists to take refuge, while simultaneously helping the world's most endangered places from becoming walmarts.

So, what do y'all think of my idea? Is there anything I can clarify?
Are all of you borgueois austrians to poor to do this?

[Seth King]

Unless we can defend it from eminent domain I don't see the point. There are a lot of noble causes that I believe in, like charities and disease research, etc. But I feel that our resources should go completely to abolishing the state, because if we can, the rest will fall into place.

[Anonymous Infowarrior]

Unless we can defend it from eminent domain I don't see the point. There are a lot of noble causes that I believe in, like charities and disease research, etc. But I feel that our resources should go completely to abolishing the state, because if we can, the rest will fall into place.

Well, that's thinking a little deeper than I thought, but I doubt it that it will be siezed.

Buying up just 10 acres a year, the preserve would be huge within 5 years. It would be entirely devoted to providing refuge to anarchists of all sorts and preserving the environment. It would be run democratically by the people of this forum.

It would be a great way to show the world that even laissez faire capitalists care about the environment. And a great way to spread the ideas of freedom around the world!

[helio]

I like the spirit of the idea, but as far as I can tell, we are all broke.

Would I chip in 2 bits a month to do that? sure.  Not because I think it would succeed but because 2 bits won't be a major setback (once i'm employed again).

I want to spend any extra money I get paying off debt, building a business and helping other ancaps get to NH.  When we get some people together geographically, we can probably do some things like that.  It would be a good way to advertise. 

I would love to start a business and work with a bunch of ancaps.  Lets find out if we can even work together building a voluntary enterprise.  If we can do that, we might have a chance at building a voluntary society.

[Anonymous Infowarrior]

I like the spirit of the idea, but as far as I can tell, we are all broke.

Would I chip in 2 bits a month to do that? sure.  Not because I think it would succeed but because 2 bits won't be a major setback (once i'm employed again).

I want to spend any extra money I get paying off debt, building a business and helping other ancaps get to NH.  When we get some people together geographically, we can probably do some things like that.  It would be a good way to advertise. 

I would love to start a business and work with a bunch of ancaps.  Lets find out if we can even work together building a voluntary enterprise.  If we can do that, we might have a chance at building a voluntary society.

That's a good idea.

btw, I just created a bitcoin wallet. Now, I'm wondering how to create a website for this project. I don't want to seem like I'm trying to scam money off of everyone here, so, I think that the wallet for this project should be run by the contributors to the project, just like the property itself will be. If just 10 people donate 2 bitcoins a month, we would have enough to buy at least an acre in the amazon.

[Aegidius]

This is definitely the right way to go about it.  The eminent domain concern is a valid one, but talk of environmental activism via legitimate ownership of the environment to be protected rather than negation of others' property rights is just plain refreshing.

[MAM]

Seems like a good idea to me man. I'm broke though so I don't know how much I'd be able to help right now but you know what? I like the idea. One concern I have though is that if the property and the money is democratically run by contributors than it seems to me to be on a slippery slope towards a govt of some kind. Just keep an eye out for something like that!

[Anonymous Infowarrior]

This is definitely the right way to go about it.  The eminent domain concern is a valid one, but talk of environmental activism via legitimate ownership of the environment to be protected rather than negation of others' property rights is just plain refreshing.

Not all countries have eminent domain. And the ones that do tend to give compensation.

[MAM]

This is definitely the right way to go about it.  The eminent domain concern is a valid one, but talk of environmental activism via legitimate ownership of the environment to be protected rather than negation of others' property rights is just plain refreshing.

Not all countries have eminent domain. And the ones that do tend to give compensation.

Compensating someone for stealing their property doesn't change the fact that it is theft...

[JustSayNoToStatism]

I like the idea, and I think you should ask people on political sites if they would contribute. It's less about saving the rainforests to me and more about drawing people into anarchist web venues, although the former is still a good thing.

[Euler]

I tend to think that the most realistic way to save the environment currently comes from technological developments and tending your own gardens in a sensible way. I find the NH relocation business very intriguing though.

[helio]

I find the NH relocation business very intriguing though.

Not to spoil my upcoming article on my experiences in New Hampshire over the past three weeks since I've moved, but my ability to pull that plan off now has moved into the 'will have the means' category of my project list.

[Syock]

I think it might be better to look at a 'green' business.  Maybe get something going with recycling. 

[MAM]

I think it might be better to look at a 'green' business.  Maybe get something going with recycling. 

Aluminum is the only thing worth recycling it takes more resources to recycle everything else than it would to just make a new one.

[Syock]

There you go then, recycling aluminum, the 'green' ancap business.