What's "acceptable" When it comes to state/anarchist interactions?

[Distruzio]

How can anyone vote without pursuing their own special interestst at the expense of another? There is the real rub my friend. It's impossible to not violate anothers interest at the expense of your own...seems simple to me.

At local elections, you can vote to stop the expropriation of yourself and/or others. This says nothing, of course, of the other persons voting. While they may be voting to expropriate YOU, you would not be held in violation of the NAP or of anarchist sovereignty were you to vote against a specific piece of legislation under which individuals would be expropriated.

Voting for representatives, however, is ALWAYS immoral.

[anotherfreeman]

I meant this to be about so much more than voting...  There is a voting post that would be better for much of the replies I'm getting. I'm talking about accepting stolen property AND this so called right to take from government because they take from others. Voting isn't even on my radar for acceptable moral behavior...for people OR causes. But Im taking on the idea that it's ok to benefit from things that are violently stolen. Is it ok to pay taxes. Is it ok to take grants? Is it ok to take welfare? Is it ok to work for the government? What do people think about these things? Yes, even things we are "forced" to do. Taxes, obedience to laws, police cooperation, and the many others. Now i pay taxes too, but feel the proper direction for change means I should be trying not to. Cut the money off to our pimps and see what happens... Nevermind taking it! 

[Distruzio]

Is it ok to pay taxes

You pay taxes no matter what. The only way to avoid taxation is to rent property, grow your own food, make your own clothing, and live autarkically. Sales taxes are unavoidable otherwise. If you mean "income taxes," that is a personal decision. Immoral they may be, the family man may find paying his extortioners off best facilitates his ability to raise his family. Otherwise he faces kidnapping and murder. A principled life is ideal, but you'd better make sure that your children know EXACTLY why you are being murdered before the time comes.

Is it ok to take grants?

No.

Is it ok to take welfare?

No.

Is it ok to work for the government?

No.

[derick]

We live within a prison system that we are dependant on. Is it "o.k" to take from the state as we try to navigate our lives through this maze of tyranny? I say yes but only if you do not vote for or support in any way the initiation of state forced theft.

[Euler]

I have to disagree with the current with here.

Accepting money or help from the government, in any of its forms including employment, should be permissible as long as a few additional conditions apply. You must never act in a way to continue the conditions. You must never engage in any force.

Given the ubiquity of the government matrix, following the dictum that one accepts no employment or aid would nearly close off entire fields of legitimate employment. Given that so much of education especially unfortunately takes place either directly by the government or in institutions receiving substantial amounts of government funding, an important battlefield would be closed off to people who while accepting government money work directly and peacefully to subvert the apparatus itself.

[anotherfreeman]

Distruzio... I like your sentiment at the moment. I pay taxes as well, being a father and husband that wants to be around for my family. I know I'm left with few viable options when it comes to taxes and very few others... Can't think of many more actually. And yes my goal is to develop a farm that produces food people can buy, trade, or volunteer thier services in exchange for. My visions that of free market anarchists taking a proactive approach within the market to bring down the state. If aal of us who believed in the market as we do just started getting involved with peoples needs and wants through the market we could be so much more influential while holding our values at the forefront instead of always playing so defensively to the state. We need a viable offense so that the people can see the positives of a truly free market and A truly free people. And this needs to start and grow immensely without government permission. Private roads, private education, private mailing, private storage and vault systems free of government regulation. The options are endless and our minds are the most primed for this challenge than any others.   

[Distruzio]

In all honesty, being an anarchist while refraining from autarkism is impractical in the USA. Panarchism, the advocacy of sectional interests, secessonism, and anti federalism. Are our best avenues for redress. Otherwise, stymieing the beast only serves to perpetuate it further. RonPaul as leader of the GOP would secure this pendulum swing that would, I believe, precipitate a crisis of govt most poignantly seen at the fall of the USSR. His program restrictions would send the entitled into such a ravenous counter that the legitimacy of the US govt itself would become suspect.

I use my anarchic idealism to frame my perspective on the world where property rights are the canvas and my religion the paint. Anarchy is for the individual, not the masses. If the individual is truly sovereign, as we AnCaps insist, then its time.for us to recognize that sovereignty is something to be taken and not granted. If the market recognizes individual desires and satisfies them, then this understanding must also include the market of ideas and ideologies.

[JustSayNoToStatism]

"Bump." Put in quotes because I will likely bury it again tonight.

[assasin7]

I think agorists should milk welfare (it was stolen from you, and imagine if as it lost tax revenue from tax while demand for its money spiked.) 

[JustSayNoToStatism]

I think agorists should milk welfare (it was stolen from you, and imagine if as it lost tax revenue from tax while demand for its money spiked.) 

I think it's a dangerous strategy, but acceptable. The benefit is that they can't use that money to purchase someone else's loyalty. The risk is that you let them corrupt you into giving them your own. If it makes you dislike the state less, then it's affecting you in a way you shouldn't approve of. It's dangerous, so be careful.

[dpalme]

I think agorists should milk welfare (it was stolen from you, and imagine if as it lost tax revenue from tax while demand for its money spiked.) 

I think it's a dangerous strategy, but acceptable. The benefit is that they can't use that money to purchase someone else's loyalty. The risk is that you let them corrupt you into giving them your own. If it makes you dislike the state less, then it's affecting you in a way you shouldn't approve of. It's dangerous, so be careful.

I have to agree here. Even if it's stolen from you, it's also stolen from a helluva lot of other people as well. Thus you're receiving stolen goods. . .what's the anarchist opinion on receiving stolen goods anyway?

[assasin7]

the confiscation principle, stealling from a thief is no theft. I think that the best way for state subsidised insustries to enter the free market is by entering the control of the people who work them (not for communist reasons, but because they represent the tax payers). all the state uni's (including state funded private schools) should go to the students