Interactions with non-capitalist anarchists...

[Distruzio]

Let us assume an AnCap community exists. How is it possible that a community founded upon the primacy of private property would coexist peacefully with an anarcho-communist community?

For those less familiar, I quote wikipedia:

Anarchist communism (also known as anarcho-communism and occasionally as free communism) is a theory of anarchism which advocates the abolition of the state, markets, money, private property, and capitalism in favor of common ownership of the means of production, direct democracy and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

I honestly feel that violence would be the only recourse as the AnCom's very ideological core is anathema to the AnCap. They favor the abolition of markets and money, which would eliminate the ability to trade amicably. They favor the abolition of property, which would lead to constant attempts by their citizens to encroach upon the AnCap area of influence.

Please read through this thread to see my struggle with this issue (and my explanations on the philosophy itself to non-AnCaps).

[JustSayNoToStatism]

I read through one page of the thread and then saw how many there were to go and I quit. So I'll just answer the question with less background than you wanted to provide.

I think they COULD coexist, in the sense that if they are satisfied with themselves, they won't attack us. But in reality, I think no one would live in the "community." It would suck, and all the people who claim to be communists today would change their minds and choose prosperity over starvation. All we have to do is not put up any walls between the two societies, and then everyone will come over to our side. Problem solved.

[MAM]

If people want to go and live in a commune without private property who cares? So long as people aren't forbidden from leaving and we aren't forced to support them. I imagine that freedom means that people are allowed to whatever they want so long as NAP isn't violated.

[JustSayNoToStatism]

If people want to go and live in a commune without private property who cares? So long as people aren't forbidden from leaving and we aren't forced to support them. I imagine that freedom means that people are allowed to whatever they want so long as NAP isn't violated.

Yeah, I think it sounds simple in the abstract like that, but what Distruzio is getting at is the disputes that would arise over claims of property. So if they say you don't own something and you do, then what? What if a propertarian claims something that the ancoms want to own collectively and don't think they should have to claim in any other sense? Who gets it? I would hope that we could just leave each other alone. Leave the ancoms on their own long enough to start achieving mortality rates more on par with the 17th century and they'll change their minds fast.

[MAM]

If people want to go and live in a commune without private property who cares? So long as people aren't forbidden from leaving and we aren't forced to support them. I imagine that freedom means that people are allowed to whatever they want so long as NAP isn't violated.

Yeah, I think it sounds simple in the abstract like that, but what Distruzio is getting at is the disputes that would arise over claims of property. So if they say you don't own something and you do, then what? What if a propertarian claims something that the ancoms want to own collectively and don't think they should have to claim in any other sense? Who gets it? I would hope that we could just leave each other alone. Leave the ancoms on their own long enough to start achieving mortality rates more on par with the 17th century and they'll change their minds fast.

Touche, however disputes like that have to be dealt with on a case by case basis, I really don't see how it's possible to resolve such things now given that we don't know the specifics of the case. And like I said if people aren't forbidden from leaving, they will do so long before their commune degrades to the point it resembles North Korea.

Also what is an ancom, I'm not familiar with that term.

[Seth King]

If people want to go and live in a commune without private property who cares? So long as people aren't forbidden from leaving and we aren't forced to support them. I imagine that freedom means that people are allowed to whatever they want so long as NAP isn't violated.

Yeah, I think it sounds simple in the abstract like that, but what Distruzio is getting at is the disputes that would arise over claims of property. So if they say you don't own something and you do, then what? What if a propertarian claims something that the ancoms want to own collectively and don't think they should have to claim in any other sense? Who gets it? I would hope that we could just leave each other alone. Leave the ancoms on their own long enough to start achieving mortality rates more on par with the 17th century and they'll change their minds fast.

Also what is an ancom, I'm not familiar with that term.

Anarcho-Communism

[MAM]

Anarcho-Communism seems like an oxy-moron...

[JustSayNoToStatism]

Anarcho-Communism seems like an oxy-moron...

I bet if you run a search for oxymoron you'll get some good reading on this site.

[MAM]

Anarcho-Communism seems like an oxy-moron...

I bet if you run a search for oxymoron you'll get some good reading on this site.

I just did, the only thing that came up was this post.

[JustSayNoToStatism]

Anarcho-Communism seems like an oxy-moron...

I bet if you run a search for oxymoron you'll get some good reading on this site.

I just did, the only thing that came up was this post.

Good thing I don't make wagers.

Edit: Make sure you don't include the hyphen, then you'll get some results.

[MAM]

Anarcho-Communism seems like an oxy-moron...

I bet if you run a search for oxymoron you'll get some good reading on this site.

I just did, the only thing that came up was this post.

Good thing I don't make wagers.

Edit: Make sure you don't include the hyphen, then you'll get some results.

Still nothing, is there a post that you wanted me to see?

[JustSayNoToStatism]

Hmm...flag to Seth, maybe you should create a poll and see whether the search function is working for people. Have a few test cases and we'll see how many people are getting the correct results.

As for MAM,
Here's one where I agreed that it's an oxymoron
And another...
Here's where I change my mind

[MAM]

Hmm...flag to Seth, maybe you should create a poll and see whether the search function is working for people. Have a few test cases and we'll see how many people are getting the correct results.

As for MAM,
Here's one where I agreed that it's an oxymoron
And another...
Here's where I change my mind

Maybe you have a point,I'm not sure I will have to itink about it. I still don't see it working.

[JustSayNoToStatism]

Hmm...flag to Seth, maybe you should create a poll and see whether the search function is working for people. Have a few test cases and we'll see how many people are getting the correct results.

As for MAM,
Here's one where I agreed that it's an oxymoron
And another...
Here's where I change my mind

Maybe you have a point,I'm not sure I will have to itink about it. I still don't see it working.

Perhaps not. I'm not completely sold that they would coexist either. I just feel like it's possible. It wouldn't be guaranteed to fail, even if it was unlikely. But I am convinced that ancom is anarchism.

[helio]

How is it possible that a community founded upon the primacy of private property would coexist peacefully with an anarcho-communist community?

This is going to be soooo tongue-in-cheek but I simply cannot resist....

If the ancomms threaten us with their Ak's, then we will respond with our Space Laser Cannons and Hover Tanks.  Besides, they will be sickly and half starved....

Seriously though, I think it is a balance of power issue.   If both groups are on par militarily, nothing happens.  If ancaps are more powerful, nothing happens, and the ancomms shrink because of economic instability.  If ancomms are more powerful, war.

I don't think it matters though.  Most ancomms will starve when the money system implodes.  Ever hear of an ancomm survivalist?  An ancomm gun-nut?  Not sayin' they don't exist, just never heard of one.