A Non-Voting Anarchist. . .Voting?

[derick]

The number one way that you can help legitimize this government, is to vote for it. I dont mean to piss on your Ron Paul parade but he isnt going to get the nomination and he sure as hell isnt going to win the popularity contest for president.

[AgoristTeen1994]

The number one way that you can help legitimize this government, is to vote for it. I dont mean to piss on your Ron Paul parade but he isnt going to get the nomination and he sure as hell isnt going to win the popularity contest for president.

I at least, never said he would. I DO realize he won't get the nomination or let alone become president. I'm just trying to show evidence that in SOME circumstances it is alright for an anarchist to vote IMO....I never said those circumstances would actually appear.

[dpalme]

Every moment Paul gets on a stage is a moment more people are likely to be exposed to anti-government information. Ron Paul has turned more people on to an-cap philosophy than anyone else in my lifetime. Hell yes I will vote for him.

This.

I'm not saying that if Ron Paul won the presidency (I doubt he'll even get the nomination) that everything in the world would be hunky-dory, but as I think everyone can agree here that he's the biggest producer of new libertarians/anarchists in a long time, and if he did win he'd convert even more people once they saw that limited government can work.

[SinCityVoluntaryist]

 Jesus. When did DA become "The Glass is Half Empty Society"? The pessimism really needs to go.

 I will always be optimistic and believe that Ron Paul can and WILL win. I may not be a full an-cap because of it, but I know what Ron Paul is capable of achieving, and even if he doesn't win, the legacy he leaves behind will be nothing short of amazing.

[dpalme]

Jesus. When did DA become "The Glass is Half Empty Society"? The pessimism really needs to go.

Well there's a difference between pessimism and reality. Do I want RP to win, hell yes, do I think he will, hell no. So why do I support him? He's the only one who actually stands for something that's good. Wether it's Shit Romney, Sick Rantorum, Eye Of Newt Gingrich, or the statist we have now, there will be no change. It'll be the same monstrous government as always. We're not going to get anarchy anytime soon, so if we can fight for small government and have even a small chance, I'll fight for it.

[SinCityVoluntaryist]

 Whether or not Paul supporters or an-caps want to admit, I think one of the reasons why so many are skeptical of his ability to become president is because they fear for his safety. History has shown us that those that stand up to the elites--i.e. New World Order, Shadow Government, Puppet Masters, etc.--have had their lives put in grave danger. Take Andrew Jackson, for example. Jackson had three assassination attempts put upon his life because his hostility toward the Federal Reserve. There are many that believe that JFK was killed because of 00001, and Executive Order (and perhaps the only justifiable one) that would have given the Treasury the power to issue credit, an ideal that the constitution states in Art. I, Sec. 8.

 If Ron Paul does win the nomination, I think it's logical to assume that his security would need to be ramped up for his protection. God knowing what would happen to him.

[Mark Stoval]

I don't think Ron Paul will win because the Republican Party is counting the votes. Remember what Stalin said about that! I also think that the CIA would assassinate a president-elect Ron Paul. I even believe that Ron knows that his life would be in great jeopardy if he did win. I think he is willing to sacrifice to get the message out to people that governemnt is evil. For his kids. For his grandkids. For his friends. For folks he does not even know.

I think the guy is great, but it is the message that he carries that is the main thing. I hope that this run will expose millions to the message of hope and individual liberty and freedom. If not; we are near and end in this country. Not only bankrupt; we are morally bankrupt. "Live and let live" is not in many people's vocabulary anymore. Time to restore that saying to a common utterance.

[JustSayNoToStatism]

But I disagree. You say that on the line of tyranny and liberty, we are on position X. That's true. However, what you seem to be forgetting is that we are so far down the line of tyranny, that it's virtually impossible for us to go only further.

We can and will go much further. Despite major erosion of liberty, we still are able to post on websites like this, so there is much more they could do.

Electing Ron Paul to office would do nothing but allow us to go in the opposite direction, toward liberty.

Electing Ron Paul is basically impossible. Even if he got in, he probably couldn't do anything, except cause libertarianism to take the blame for all the problems he's inheriting. Over a hundred years of problems built up due to statism, and then RP has to take the fall? I like Ron Paul's legacy too much to want to see him win....if that makes sense.

Tell me, how do you consider a man that wants to end all wars, abolish the fed, bring back liberty, return to gold, and bring back the free market an individual that can't bring us to a voluntary society? Again, we're so far down the road of tyranny, that it's hard to imagine that we can go any further. Paul can and will lead us in the other direction.

He wants to do these things, and even if he became president, he couldn't do most of them....the few he could do would end up backfiring, because people are too short sighted to understand cause and effect. Again, we're not that far down the road to tyranny yet.

[SinCityVoluntaryist]

^Hell, he would be killed if he got the nomination on the spot. The Establishment is scared shitless of Paul. They never thought his message would get this far, and seeing him in the White House would be the biggest negation for them since, well, ever.  

 I think that's one of the primary reasons Paul has said he can't see himself in the White House. He knows the history, he understands the people, and has seen their actions. The man has guts, guts that I would never be able to show.

 A few months ago, one of the heads of Russia said that he saw a document indicating a kill order that was placed on Ron Paul. I don't know how true it is, but if it is real, something major is going on.

[Daitokuji]

If Ron Paul were to somehow overcome the massive odds against him and win, he would be able to bring troops home as commander in chief but that's about it.  The other branches of the government would halt any good ideas he has that would reduce the size of government and he would spend his four years shooting down government bloating, freedom killing "jobs" bills only to be known as the President who did nothing while in office.

If for some reason he won and actually had Senate and House approval to reduce the size of government, I fear that the temporary prosperity that he would bring would only further boost confidence in a central government that will only grow out of control the second people grow passive again.

As always, I'm torn between the idea of an "in control" minimalist government and the hope that it collapses under it's own weight so that a truly free society could rise from the rubble.

[Tom J]

Whether or not Paul supporters or an-caps want to admit, I think one of the reasons why so many are skeptical of his ability to become president is because they fear for his safety.  ...

The MSM can “assassinate” someone running for President of the US the most effective way. 

[SinCityVoluntaryist]

^Ah, but you see, that's the thing. The corporate, government run media has been trying to discredit Paul for quite some time, and their efforts have been in vain. Their first attempt involved ignoring him. Scientific studies proved that Ron Paul was getting the least amount of air time. After that plan didn't work out, they moved on to plan B, which forced them to attack Paul head on. They did this bringing up falsifications about his past (i.e. the so-called racist articles that have been proven wrong time and time again). Both of these actions have failed miserably, and the corporate media is slowly running out of options. That's why so many people are beginning to worry about Dr. Paul's physical safety. If the media can't bring him down on a spiritual level, then the steps after that could be much worse. That is why I think Dr. Paul needs extra security.

[Tom J]

Someone who can’t even win a tiny caucus in Iowa after spending 6 months (or more) spending money on TV ads and campaigning there, is not even in the game, yet alone posing a serious challenge; so the MSM doesn't need to “assassinate” him. Pat Robertson, like some others, even won the Iowa caucus and got nowhere after that; and he wasn’t even a politician.

All the MSM has to do to disqualify (in the eyes of most Americans) a candidate that wants to significantly scale back the empire, is have retired generals, “experts”, and “sources”, claim around the clock that the change they want will be “dangerous” for “America”. 40 percent of the public probably still believes Iraq had WMD’s because of past MSM propaganda. It’s very easy for the MSM to scare most people into believing things, and not only on the subject of foreign affairs.

[Tom J]

“Liberty’s” future presidential candidate Rand Paul explains his support for sanctions on Iran.
http://www.dailypaul.com/216460/sen-rand-paul-explain-his-vote-in-favor-of-sanctions-on-iran

[Dagnytg]

The number one way that you can help legitimize this government, is to vote for it. I dont mean to piss on your Ron Paul parade but he isnt going to get the nomination and he sure as hell isnt going to win the popularity contest for president.

Derick,

Let me preface my comment by saying I admire your passion and philosophical discipline not to mention you gave some excellent examples, in support of a point I was making, on the IP thread a while back.

Yet, I do not believe that voting is “the number one way that you can help legitimize this government…”

Paying our income taxes receives the top honors and I imagine you pay your taxes.

Please don’t take this as a critique but as a form of introspection.