Counter-economic healthcare and science research

[AgoristTeen1994]

Hi everyone I have been doing some thinking and I have come here for some brainstorming. Do any of you have any ideas on how to provide modern, non-alternative, healthcare, to someone, in a counter-economic manner, and NOT get caught. So say for example you need to give your patient a PET scan/MRI, or something like that, how do you do so? Also do any of you have ideas on how to perform research that may require specialized equipment in a counter-economic manner?

[Syock]

Not get caught?  You phrase it like health care is illegal.  Just pay cash.   I have yet to meet a doc that won't take cash.  You can get health insurance through something like Aflac, which pays you cash if you get hurt rather than them paying the doc.  

[JustSayNoToStatism]

Hi everyone I have been doing some thinking and I have come here for some brainstorming. Do any of you have any ideas on how to provide modern, non-alternative, healthcare, to someone, in a counter-economic manner, and NOT get caught. So say for example you need to give your patient a PET scan/MRI, or something like that, how do you do so? Also do any of you have ideas on how to perform research that may require specialized equipment in a counter-economic manner?

I'm not sure about the first question. Some things could be done, but it'd be tricky. You could try to get your hands on some used medical equipment, but you'd need to have some very libertarian people on the inside to hook you up when considering you aren't working for a hospital. The equipment is expensive, and difficult to hide. You'd need to serve only anarchists (in order to protect yourself), which limits your practice considerably.

As for a laboratory, you'd have similar problems running a black market research center (plus you'd get the DEA's attention buying all that lab equipment). But it would be easier for you to do it in a gray market. Set up a lab that performs some "legitimate" function, and then tinker as you please on the side. If you only want to do research, it will be really hard to do that in a black market, because someone needs to fund your research, and it's usually either a university, or a large (white market) business.

But honestly, how much risk are you willing to take in doing this? There's no guarantee you wouldn't get caught. Of course, seasteading would make it all a lot easier!

[Syock]

Maybe you can find a doctor that will take bitcoins. 

I know the solutions I have suggested don't really deal with what you are doing, but I don't think you will get a hospital full of equipment overnight.  You will have enough trouble just trying to get needles without issues, let alone an MRI. 

[AgoristTeen1994]

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'll also be posting this on reddit and another forum I frequent and I shall return with any and all suggestions I receive there.

[MAM]

You can get IV solutions online, I'm sure anything that you may want can be found there, acquiring it may be a little difficult as you might have to employ some smugglers and what not, the location is another thing too.

The small stuff you can steal if you have an inside man, things like syringes and Saline and the things necessary to give IVs. I don't see how you can set this up without theft if you want it to be completely black. Some one will probably have stolen the shit, now maybe if you can find a producer of the goods that is willing to do stuff under the table that might work.

First try getting some contacts that are in the White Medical market, they will be easy to find and might know where you can start looking for Black and Gray Market contacts. Also due to Statistical Analysis now days it is possible to track down who exactly made Bitcoin transactions, it isn't easy but it is possible. All of your deals will have to be encrypted. If you use a phone make sure that it is a Burn Phone or a Pay Phone.

I think it's possible though very difficult. Also consider where you are going to set up this eventual lab, it needs to be somewhere where you can camouflage it easily. Maybe what you can do is use an actual hospital for your operation and then do Agorist transactions on the side. If you want to set up an operation that is independent from a White Hospital then you should get a forger to make you some papers so that you can make the purchase of the site under an assumed name. Of course the more people who know about your operation that greater chance you have of it being caught. 

Anyway you cut it your are going to be taking big risks. The start up costs for this are going to be huge.

[AgoristTeen1994]

Thanks for the  suggestions MAM. And yeah I realize the start-up costs would be huge, which unfortunately means way out of my budget. I have a rather limited budget. The only other thing I can think of would be to buy bitcoins, then buy pot seeds, then grow the pot, then sell it on the Silk Road. Either that or make explosives (which I'm pretty good at) and sell it at the Silk Road's sister site The Armory

[MAM]

Thanks for the  suggestions MAM. And yeah I realize the start-up costs would be huge, which unfortunately means way out of my budget. I have a rather limited budget. The only other thing I can think of would be to buy bitcoins, then buy pot seeds, then grow the pot, then sell it on the Silk Road. Either that or make explosives (which I'm pretty good at) and sell it at the Silk Road's sister site The Armory

I'm not sure what the silk road is (would you post a link so I can check it out?), but as far as selling marijuana where I live which is in New Mexico 1/16 of an ounce usually goes for 25$  to 30$ (for the good stuff the "Chronic") or maybe if you have a friend you can get it for 20$ a 16th if you buy in bulk and know who to ask you can get an ounce anywhere between 280 and 400USD with the average being 300USD (Where I am I wouldn't buy for anything more than 320USD). at 30$ for 1/16 selling an ounce will get you 480USD at 25$ an ounce gets you 400USD. The point is where I am (there is quite a bit of competition between dealers) selling pot is not going to get you a lot of money. You may be able to use the money from the pot to start up another business. The real money in drugs is in the hard stuff like heroin.

Now I would check the laws because where I am if you have anything less than an ounce in your possession you basically get a slap on the wrist while more than that will get you some jail time especially if they decide you are distributing, which they will. 

Anyway selling pot is not going to make you rich unless the market where you live is different from it here.

[AgoristTeen1994]

I'm not sure what the silk road is (would you post a link so I can check it out?), but as far as selling marijuana where I live which is in New Mexico 1/16 of an ounce usually goes for 25$  to 30$ (for the good stuff the "Chronic") or maybe if you have a friend you can get it for 20$ a 16th if you buy in bulk and know who to ask you can get an ounce anywhere between 280 and 400USD with the average being 300USD (Where I am I wouldn't buy for anything more than 320USD). at 30$ for 1/16 selling an ounce will get you 480USD at 25$ an ounce gets you 400USD. The point is where I am (there is quite a bit of competition between dealers) selling pot is not going to get you a lot of money. You may be able to use the money from the pot to start up another business. The real money in drugs is in the hard stuff like heroin.

1. The silk road is a .onion site that can only be accessed via Tor. It originally was the amazon.com/craiglist of drugs and various other illegal, black-market goods, but the creators of the silk road decided to ease some controversy that had cropped up, by creating a sister site devoted entirely to weapons and explosives called The Armory. I"ll give you links to both.


The silk road address: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/home

and the armory address http://ayjkg6ombrsahbx2.onion/silkroad/home

Now you have to register before you can see the listings. Basically all you have to do is create a username and password, a withdrawal pin that will allow you to withdraw the money you earn (which is in bitcoins) and either declare your country where you live, or if you so desire choose "undeclared.


2. Idk what the market for pot is like in my area since I have no interest in actually using drugs, never having used them before and having no plans on starting. However that doesn't mean I won't take advantage of other people's vices. However to make things easier I'd probably deal through the silk road.

3. The assumption you gave is based on the presumption that I would be buying pot then reselling it which I wouldn't. I"d be buying the SEEDS, then growing it and selling it. That would increase my profits ideally. Though I"d probably make more money with explosives and I already have xp making those though that was just for setting off in the woods on a rural property my grandma owns in the middle of nowhere so I"d have no f'in clue how much to sell them for.

[MAM]

Indeed well then it takes time to grow these plants, I assume you will be growing them indoors, do that you can grow them year round. The way that alot of people get caught is because of the heat generated by the lamps they use and the electricity used by said lamps. Use LEDs  (which can be tuned to emit only the light that the plant uses).

What experience do you have in growing plants in pots? I ask because in my experience it is a completely different thing than growing in an out door garden. Something else I would do is spray the plants down with a solution of Murphy's Oil Soap and water(do this if you are growing indoors)  almost from the beginning, this will kill spider mites which if left unchecked will quickly kill your plants (also even if you manage to kill the spider mites the quality of your product will be greatly reduced). Any way if you have never smoked the ganja how are you going to know if your product is good? Do you have experience in looking at the plant and telling whether or not it  is of good quality? The reason I ask is because if you offer someone "swag" at the price of what one pays for chronic than no one is going to buy from you.

What exactly do you know about these drugs if you have never tried it yourself? Believe it or not pot isn't as simple as it appears, like any plant there are countless varieties. And each one has a subtle difference of how it makes you feel.

[JustSayNoToStatism]

What you're talking about would require such a paranoid lifestyle that it'd wear me down for sure. As an anarchist I won't tell you what to do, but I'll advise you to think really hard before you decide. If you wanted to do any of this carefully (carefully being the key word), you'd have to give up your family, hometown, identity, and daily anarchist, and that's only the beginning.

[MAM]

What you're talking about would require such a paranoid lifestyle that it'd wear me down for sure. As an anarchist I won't tell you what to do, but I'll advise you to think really hard before you decide. If you wanted to do any of this carefully (carefully being the key word), you'd have to give up your family, hometown, identity, and daily anarchist, and that's only the beginning.

Pot isn't nearly the big deal that bombs are from a legal stand point, but yes I do agree that paranoia is going to be a result of either one.

[AgoristTeen1994]

Indeed well then it takes time to grow these plants, I assume you will be growing them indoors, do that you can grow them year round. The way that alot of people get caught is because of the heat generated by the lamps they use and the electricity used by said lamps. Use LEDs  (which can be tuned to emit only the light that the plant uses).

What experience do you have in growing plants in pots? I ask because in my experience it is a completely different thing than growing in an out door garden. Something else I would do is spray the plants down with a solution of Murphy's Oil Soap and water(do this if you are growing indoors)  almost from the beginning, this will kill spider mites which if left unchecked will quickly kill your plants (also even if you manage to kill the spider mites the quality of your product will be greatly reduced). Any way if you have never smoked the ganja how are you going to know if your product is good? Do you have experience in looking at the plant and telling whether or not it  is of good quality? The reason I ask is because if you offer someone "swag" at the price of what one pays for chronic than no one is going to buy from you.

What exactly do you know about these drugs if you have never tried it yourself? Believe it or not pot isn't as simple as it appears, like any plant there are countless varieties. And each one has a subtle difference of how it makes you feel.

Ah while I may not use drugs, not even pot, I DO have a couple friends who smoke pot. I would be willing to pay them to serve as "product quality testers", market research, and general info about pot.

Also I do have plenty of experience with growing plants indoors. Thanks for the advice regarding spider mites.

What you're talking about would require such a paranoid lifestyle that it'd wear me down for sure. As an anarchist I won't tell you what to do, but I'll advise you to think really hard before you decide. If you wanted to do any of this carefully (carefully being the key word), you'd have to give up your family, hometown, identity, and daily anarchist, and that's only the beginning.

Good point JSNTS I HAVE been thinking hard about this, but it's one of the few  things that I could do that would allow me to live my life in a counter-economic/agorist manner, but wouldn't require me to compromise on my morals.

[MAM]

I hate spider mites with a passion. If I could eradicate one species it would be them.

[MAM]

Selling pot at least were I am isn't that bad if the number of dealers is an indication.